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    General Ray Odierno: we may miss Iraq deadline to halt al-Qaeda terror


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    President Obama has pledged to withdraw all combat forces from Iraq by August 2010




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    div#related-article-links p a, div#related-article-links p a:visited { color:#06c; } The activities of al-Qaeda in two of Iraq’s most troubled cities could keep US combat troops engaged beyond the June 30 deadline for their withdrawal, the top US commander in the country has warned.
    US troop numbers in Mosul and Baqubah, in the north of the country, could rise rather than fall over the next year if necessary, General Ray Odierno told The Times in his first interview with a British newspaper since taking over from General David Petraeus in September.
    He said that a joint assessment would be conducted with the Iraqi authorities in the coming weeks before a decision is made.
    Combat troops are due to leave all Iraqi cities by the end of June. Any delay would be a potential setback for President Obama, who has pledged to withdraw all combat forces from Iraq by August 2010 as he switches his focus to Afghanistan.



    The ultimate decision on keeping or withdrawing troops would be taken by Nouri al-Maliki, the Iraqi Prime Minister, handing him a big dilemma, given the desire by most Iraqis for the US military to leave the country.
    Tens of thousands of supporters of Moqtada al-Sadr, the antiAmerican Shia cleric, marched through Baghdad yesterday, the sixth anniversary of the fall of the capital, to demand the withdrawal of US forces.
    General Odierno, 54, said that he was also concerned about the risk of renewed conflict between Arabs and Kurds in northern Iraq, where tensions are rising over the ownership of territory. He also cited the “very dangerous” threat posed by Iranian-funded militants, who appear to be styling themselves on Lebanon’s Hezbollah.
    General Odierno, a bald, imposing 6ft 5in, was speaking as he sat outside the back of the Saddam-era mansion that he calls home, next to a man-made lake on a military base in Baghdad. Touching on a range of issues, he said that he was not worried by a recent spate of deadly bombings against Shia targets blamed on al-Qaeda. He said they were designed to coincide with key dates such as the anniversary of Baghdad’s fall and rejected the idea that they signalled a fresh round of sectarian war.



    The general has long experience of Iraq: he arrived in April 2003, after the invasion, and led the US division that was ultimately responsible for capturing Saddam Hussein; he was No 2 to General Petraeus in 2007; and is now on his third tour in charge of the American withdrawal.
    Under an agreement between Washington and Baghdad, all 140,000 US troops must be out by the end of 2011.
    Despite the rise in the number of attacks, overall violence is still far below levels of two years ago when the surge of an extra 30,000 US forces – a strategy created and implemented by General Odierno and his boss, General Petraeus – was just getting started. That risk paid off, subduing a civil war that was killing thousands of Iraqi civilians and scores of American soldiers every month.
    General Odierno said that his darkest days in Iraq were when he was in charge of day-to-day combat operations in 2007. During that 15-month tour he signed hundreds of letters of condolence to the parents of service-men and women from the US, Britain and other coalition countries. “I always felt [the surge] would [succeed] but those were the times when you were wondering whether this will work or not,” he said.



    div#related-article-links p a, div#related-article-links p a:visited { color:#06c; } The war touched him more than most commanders. “The toughest day was the day I got called that my son was injured over here,” he said. Tony Odierno, then an army lieutenant, lost an arm in a rocket attack in 2004.
    The US commander was confident that the overall timetable for the US pullout would be met. But he added that US combat troops might have to stay beyond June 30 in Mosul and Baqubah, where al-Qaeda retains an active presence. “The two areas I am concerned with are Mosul and then Baqubah and [other] parts of Diyala province,” he said. “We will conduct assessments and provide our assessments when the time is right.”
    He added that over the next 12 months “we won’t see a large reduction in any forces in Mosul or Diyala. In fact we might see reinforcements in those areas if we continue to have issues”. Another flashpoint is the ethnically divided city of Kirkuk, on the border of Iraqi Kurdistan, where Arabs and Kurds are at loggerheads. Provincial elections were delayed there because of a disagreement over ownership of the city, a row that also covers towns and villages scattered along the border.
    The general agreed that there was a risk of conflict in those areas. “We can’t allow politics, we can’t allow pride, we can’t allow ego to cause violence to occur when you can solve a problem with dialogue.”
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    He said that he was also keeping an eye on Iranian-backed Shia militants who are fewer in number compared with two years ago but restructuring into groups with a political and military wing, similar to Hezbollah.
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    “One of the most effective military leaders of his generation”
    Defence Secretary Robert Gates, speaking in February 2008
    “He went through a complete metamorphosis. He educated himself and became the preeminent operational commander we have in conducting irregular warfare”
    Retired General Jack Keane, who worked closely with General Odierno on the surge
    “He really just wanted to play football, serve his five years and get out of the army. But he hurt his knee and never got the chance”
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    Are you f-****** kidding me ? even if i was to ignore the fact that there trying to pull another lie and ignore the deadline, there actually still trying to pull the Al Queda bul**** ? Jesus, if americans can be fooled by this i will give up hope on my country, we never even found any trace of them in iraq whatsoever they dont even operate in iraq, were just fighting insurgents who have lost family, or people who just want us out of there country.

    jesus christ, this is the last straw for obama i swear to god, hes broken every promise he made on his campaign, he even stretched this to a 18 month deadline ? no hes gone too far now.

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    I like the fact that ultimate decision on keeping or withdrawing troops is going to be taken by Nouri al-Maliki. However, I doubt the US would let him kick them out, or then again perhaps he's broken free from his strings. They should definitely leave. And not come back, really.
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    we never even found any trace of them in iraq whatsoever they dont even operate in iraq, were just fighting insurgents who have lost family, or people who just want us out of there country.
    Ah, so now we have moved on to denying al-Qaeda in Iraq never existed? Abu Musab al-Zarqawi must have been a grocer, or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    Ah, so now we have moved on to denying al-Qaeda in Iraq never existed? Abu Musab al-Zarqawi must have been a grocer, or something.
    Abu Musab al-Zarqawi used to lead the group Al queda in iraq, which declared allegience to al queda and osama bin laden after the us invasion and its comprised of insurgents and people from iraq, they was never the original al queda that we went after, al queda in iraq used to be a jihad group completeley seperate from osama.

    And yes obama on his campaign trail promised to end the war on terror and pull out of iraq, he said it was a costly war that provided no gain, when he entered office we got...its vital to the us that we stay in there to protect what weve gained, he said there will be a deadline, now there thinking about completeley ignoring the deadline, its total BS.
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    Well, it seems Obama is a liar, but I think hes actually making the right decision here. We don't need to half-do the job in Iraq, or else all these years will be wasted.


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    I'm sorry? How is he a liar? He said we would leave Iraq when the time was right, per agreement between the US and Iraq. This falls categorically in line.
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    Hum, well.. I'm still at a loss to determine how your naivety equates dishonesty.
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    Well, get used to it. The 'Sons of Iraq' have not been getting paid, because the money is drying up. So Al Anbar is becoming an issue again. There is increasing violence in Fallujah and elsewhere in Anbar province.

    The 'war' isn't over. We had to cut these people off sometime, and those who decide to throw a tantrum, are going to die.

    And Mosul continues to be an issue. There are rumblings that a major, multi-battalion operation is scheduled within the next few months, to finally push the few remaining, well entrenched cells supported by the remaining hardcore Batthists, out of Mosul, and further north.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin N View Post
    Are you f-****** kidding me ? even if i was to ignore the fact that there trying to pull another lie and ignore the deadline, there actually still trying to pull the Al Queda bul**** ?
    Erm, Al Queda exists and has existed in Iraq.

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    Jesus, if americans can be fooled by this i will give up hope on my country, we never even found any trace of them in iraq whatsoever they dont even operate in iraq, were just fighting insurgents who have lost family, or people who just want us out of there country.
    I already have proven half this comment to be incorrect, but I hope you realize that many of these insurgents are not even Iraqi, they are Fedayeen, foreign Muslim extremists that enter the country with the aim of becoming martyrs.

    Also, why not fight insurgents..? The goal for a long time now has been to stabilize Iraq so a new government can exist and thrive without help from the US military. Pulling out before this has been done is cowardly and quite frankly half assed. The country would no doubt plunge into civil war and extremists would take over the government. The problem now isn't that the Iraqis don't want peace and a stable government, their Muslim brothers have not allowed them this right because the fedayeen think they are doing god's work in killing as many of us American infidels and their collaboraters as possible.
    jesus christ, this is the last straw for obama i swear to god, hes broken every promise he made on his campaign, he even stretched this to a 18 month deadline ? no hes gone too far now.
    First of all, the fact that politicians lie should not be this shocking. I think it speaks volumes that a man that seemed so totally opposed to the war in his campaign now sees the need to continue it. ZOMG, maybe the war in Iraq isn't as evil and imperialistic as we thought!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin N
    Are you f-****** kidding me ?
    How many times has it been said on this forum that the US is going to be keeping troops in Iraq for quite some time? When are you and others going to get the clue?

    The place is too strategically important to not maintain a presence there. Whether it's an actual frontline presence with US troops on patrol every night, or something more reserved (which is basically what's outlined in the SOFA) is irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caelius View Post
    How many times has it been said on this forum that the US is going to be keeping troops in Iraq for quite some time? When are you and others going to get the clue?

    The place is too strategically important to not maintain a presence there. Whether it's an actual frontline presence with US troops on patrol every night, or something more reserved (which is basically what's outlined in the SOFA) is irrelevant.
    Exactly.

    In Iraq, we now have the first attempt at a democratic government ever in that country. It's doing a great job so far, and thanks to the surge, security in Iraq has risen drastically.

    Now, it is imperative (not just strategically, but also morally) that we keep protecting this government against the ones who wish to destroy it. For that, it will probably be necessary to keep a garrison there. That's normal. There are still garrisions in Japan, Germany and South Korea, so why shouldn't there be one in a country that was on the verge of a civil war just a couple of years ago?

    Quote Originally Posted by Martin N
    Abu Musab al-Zarqawi used to lead the group Al queda in iraq, which declared allegience to al queda and osama bin laden after the us invasion and its comprised of insurgents and people from iraq, they was never the original al queda that we went after, al queda in iraq used to be a jihad group completeley seperate from osama.
    Doesn't matter. From the moment US troops set foot on Iraqi soil, these people started killing their fellow muslims (the Shiites) in order to trigger a civil war in Iraq.
    These guys are the same islamofascistic crooks that we're combatting in Afghanistan.
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    Meet the Special Forces, link.

    Wow, if you get caught wearing para boots without air-wings you would be forced to remove them, but to wear a SF badge?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pøntifex View Post

    Also, why not fight insurgents..? The goal for a long time now has been to stabilize Iraq so a new government can exist and thrive without help from the US military. Pulling out before this has been done is cowardly and quite frankly half assed. The country would no doubt plunge into civil war and extremists would take over the government. The problem now isn't that the Iraqis don't want peace and a stable government, their Muslim brothers have not allowed them this right because the fedayeen think they are doing god's work in killing as many of us American infidels and their collaboraters as possible.
    That is exactly what I have been saying to many of my friends for awhile. Even if George Bush was the cause of all this, or it was a terrible thing to do in the beginning, leaving now would just be morally wrong. If we leave early, and Iraq's government collapses, then it would look even worse for America and it would condemn thousands more to death. It's time for us not to be so selfish, and at least fight for what is right, even if it never started that way.

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    Pontifex...Al queda in iraq -the group- yes does move in iraq, BUT they didnt join with al queda until 2004, AFTER our invasion so there was no original al queda group when we invaded, they was an islamic jihad organisation before the us invasion, they swore loyalty to al queda, and osama bin laden in 2004, we are not fighting al queda itself in iraq, we are fighting a sleeper cell of al queda thats made up of iraqis and insurgents, not the hijackers, or the original group.

    I told this to motiv - 4 up there if you read the thread, the whole point of the the name al queda in iraq, was to have a presence there, but not until 2004, when the group was formed, al queda itself has never operated in iraq. This is a hypothetical statement obviously, but thats like me invading russia to find al queda, then 2 years after the invasion al queda starting operations in russia, then saying weve been fighting them all along, its just wrong.

    Al queda in iraq, IS NOT AL QUEDA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin N View Post
    Pontifex...Al queda in iraq -the group- yes does move in iraq, BUT they didnt join with al queda until 2004, AFTER our invasion so there was no original al queda group when we invaded, they was an islamic jihad organisation before the us invasion, they swore loyalty to al queda, and osama bin laden in 2004, we are not fighting al queda itself in iraq, we are fighting a sleeper cell of al queda thats made up of iraqis and insurgents, not the hijackers, or the original group.
    Terrorists in Iraq, among them members of Al Queda. That's good enough for me. If they call themselves members of the organization, it is the same thing as attacking the organization anywhere in the world. The group as a whole is responsible for 9/11.

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    Good on General Odierno. If necessary, our forces should stay in Iraq, and Afghanistan until 2015. For the good of the people, we are rooting out terrorism that these regions unfortunately knew widespread before our liberation of 'em.

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    I've given up hope on our system a long time ago.

    If anyone thinks this wasn't a half-assed war to begin with and isn't still, you're fooling yourself. This isn't even a war. It's an occupation following a conflict. I've pretty much agreed that nothing will change as long as us Americans keep being distracted by fashion magazines, fast food, and too much TV.
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    I personally dont care about the subject no more, ive had enough, the one thing i hate in this world is lying, especially on a subject as important as this, the quote still rings in my head today when i read something like this. This one little passage* nearly got me to vote for him, but i knew it was lies from the beggining, it always is either Democrats or Republicans, both the same.

    * "Im the only major candidate who opposed this war from the beggining, and as president, i will end it"

    Really gets on my nerves, especially considering he also lied about voting against it, hes supported every single measure for iraq whether it be more funding, more troops anything.

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    I don't really see anything wrong, if any there are vestiges of Al-queada in Iraq left, they should be taken out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burnum View Post
    I don't really see anything wrong, if any there are vestiges of Al-queada in Iraq left, they should be taken out.
    Ah yes, nothing like making up your own Carte blanche to keep occupying oilrich nation to ensure they do not stray from the line you set for them.

    It would be bad if they dared to think they have right to independence!

    As for al-Nuriki. Guy is never going to go against USA. He knows that mere hours after last US soldier leaves, people are going to drag him out of his palace and rip him to pieces.


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