Official 'Third Age 1.0 - 3.2 Question & Answer' Thread

[panson24]

Little question.

How does the special abilities work? Most say that the fatigue is decreased but, in all the cases that I've seen it's the opposite way... Going from fresh to warmed up.. etc.

And some say, for example, increase combat efectiveness and I haven't seen any radical change while the power is on.


Sorry if it has been asked before.

[Ngugi]

They work as described, though increased fatigue is an after-effect, often added to abilities that for a duration on the opposite decrease fatigue.

The effectiveness is somewhat increased, they don't become juggernauts but their stats gets a reasonable %-boost

Different abilities obviously give different bonuses and drawbacks, as a rule those that give much + also give larger -
Some, like those that can "stun" or "freeze" the foe (dunno how it's described now) are further only working on enemy units that is not attacked while active

"If you don't ask you don't learn" as it's said

[Pollster33]

Hey so I'm playing as the dwarves and just got to the last Barracks event which allows me to build the Royal Army Barracks, probable is, the troops I can recruit don't change and the public order bonus doesn't increase, what's up with that?

[Flinn]

hi Pollster

assuming you are playing vanilla TATW, IIRC the last barracks upgrade does not add any new troop to the dwarven rooster and no public order increase; this is not so strange anyway, pretty normal in M2TW regular game

[Pollster33]

hi Pollster

assuming you are playing vanilla TATW, IIRC the last barracks upgrade does not add any new troop to the dwarven rooster and no public order increase; this is not so strange anyway, pretty normal in M2TW regular game

Ok if it dosent help me there is really no reason spending like 7500 gold on it then eh? Weird I would think it would at least let to store an extra unit in the recruitment que?

[Flinn]

I can only tell you that it's not a bug, no need to argue about it

[Mhaedros]

The highest city barracks level allows recruitment of Khazad Guards, but only in Khazad-Dum. For castles the bonuses and recruitments are identical in the two highest levels, at least as far as I could see in a fast search.

[Pollster33]

The highest city barracks level allows recruitment of Khazad Guards, but only in Khazad-Dum. For castles the bonuses and recruitments are identical in the two highest levels, at least as far as I could see in a fast search.

Ok well that makes sense! Thanks so much for your replies !

[themzr]

I'm playing rohan and it says my stables get a bonus in grassland regions, does that bonus mean they are cheaper/ faster to build and replenish units quicker or what?

[Ngugi]

In vanilla TATW the replentish rate is higher in grass land regions; if you play a submod it may be more bonuses

[mesor]

Hey, I'm not sure if they're part of this or MOS but the volunteer mercenary units.

How long do they take to replenish?In my high elven run they're invaluable but it's impossible to get them in any real numbers.

[Ngugi]

Hey, I'm not sure if they're part of this or MOS but the volunteer mercenary units.

How long do they take to replenish?In my high elven run they're invaluable but it's impossible to get them in any real numbers.

It's a MOS matter*, so further discussion about it is directed there.

However I may tell you that you can see replentish rates in the file descr_mercenaries.txt found in data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign
For example the Silvan Volunteers are technically Silvan Sword Mercs (you can search the names up in export_units.txt found in data/text) and look like this:

pool Mirkwood    regions Elven-Mirkwood_Province Central-Mirkwood_Province West-Mirkwood_Province New_Mirkwood_Province Deep-Mirkwood_Province Mirkwood_Elven_Settlement_Province
    unit Black Spiders Adult        exp 0 cost 2500 replenish 0.03 - 0.05 max 1 initial 1 religions { catholic }
    unit Silvan Sword Mercs,        exp 0 cost 1300 replenish 0.04 - 0.09 max 2 initial 1 religions { orthodox northmen }

0.04 - 0.09 mean that each turn the units replentish between 4% to 9% each turn and when it reach 1 (or 100%) a unit is avilable. At worst, if only 4% each turn, it take 25 turns and at best, 9% each turn, it take 11 turns between each new Silvan Volunteer unit become avilable.
You can edit this yourself, though I am not sure weither it is save game-compatible.


* as MOS use my submod
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...2#post12004092

[ElvenKind]

Hey, I'm not sure if they're part of this or MOS but the volunteer mercenary units.

How long do they take to replenish?In my high elven run they're invaluable but it's impossible to get them in any real numbers.

If you have MOS submod installed ( or any other submod), then ask questions in that submod's thread.

If you have just vanilla TATW installed, then this thread is for questions about it.

[mesor]

Ahhh thank you, the economy is a little weak so I've been primarily using volunteers recently as shields to avoid the loss of any of my archers. Managed to get together 3 units of them now and they make a nice little shieldwall.

(( Wasn't sure if this was sub mod related or not. ))

[Coxy]

Hi guys

(campaign) Medium is too easy for me, but then I struggle too much on hard - and always lose. So I can't find a happy medium. For me my main bug bear is the extra stacks etc the AI gets - just seems too unfair to me, and I don't remember that (or any other unfair AI bonuses) from my early TATW games

So I want to re-download 1.4 or 2.1 - can anyone tell me the main differences between them? What AI bonuses were introduced that make a big change (e.g. free stacks) in 2.1?? Was the garrison script present in both?

Thanks for any advice

[Ngugi]

Prior versions has inferior balance, stack spams was a much greater problem (Gondor often badly steamrolled before turn 100), so if one spawned stack cause you issues you technicly will make the situation worse by using an older TATW.
Simply avoid the problem by not blitz a faction until you know you have sufficent strenght to take on a/the Last Stand-stack, that is spawned when a faction get less than 3 settlements (with the exception of Isengard who get is when they lose Isengard itself).

And if the Last Stand stack is your only issue, you should remember that this is a modding community, and that you can easily get instructions on how to edit certain contents.
Just backup and then open your campaign_script.txt, found in .../data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign
Search for Last Stand and removed the content under the headline down to Osgiliath.
Ex:

(...)
        unit    Cave Trolls        exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
        unit    Cave Trolls        exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
    end


terminate_monitor
end_monitor


;########################### Last Stand ##############################
monitor_event FactionTurnStart FactionType sicily
    and IsFactionAIControlled
    and I_NumberOfSettlements sicily < 3


    spawn_army 
    faction sicily
    character    Boromir, named character, x 166, y 121, portrait Boromir, battle_model boromir, hero_ability SHIELD, label family_gondor1
    traits Boromir 1 , hero_ability3 1 , Factionheir 1 , LoyaltyStarter 1 , GoodCommander 1 , ReligionStarter 1 , Energetic 1 , Loyal 1
        unit    Kingsguard_BG            exp 4 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
        unit    Gondor Spearmen Mercs        exp 5 armour 2 weapon_lvl 0
        unit    Gondor Spearmen Mercs        exp 3 armour 2 weapon_lvl 0

(...)

        unit    Easterling Clansmen    exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
        unit    Balchoth Horde        exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
        unit    Balchoth Horde        exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
    end
terminate_monitor
end_monitor


;########################### Osgiliath ###############################
;Information about Rebuild
(...)

Save and close.
Open data/world/maps/base and there delete map.rwm (it will recreate itself when the game starts).
Will apply to new campaigns

[Coxy]

...

Thanks for the advice - really appreciate it. See I don't remember 1.4 like that - I used to have much longer games when I played that version I'm sure.

Now it takes too long for culture change (in my opinion and thus being able to recruit decent units, so my attacks on Harag (as Gondor) always ground to a halt because I can't replenish my best units, so I have to withdraw each time. I don't like the stacks that seem to spawn, not a big fan of the garrison script (although not too bad) and I believe the AI gets money bonuses etc as well. Did all that exist on 1.4 do you know?

Also, my PC is not getting any younger, and she struggles to run the new custom cities when in battle such as Minas Tirith etc

I had epic sessions on 1.4 or 2.1 - just can't remember which

[Ngugi]

There's a couple of events that cause the AI to get stacks, all in all it's to keep the balance (which was cleraly different) and give the AI a shot against a human player, as well as make it bloody hard for the player (KK's officially a hard core gamer hehe)

This is what I could find, from moddb.com; http://www.moddb.com/mods/third-age-total-war/downloads

Changes and Bug-fixes: - problem with white UI fixed (thanks to gigantus) - (occasionally) missing diplomats and woodcamps fixed - wrong music and sounds fixed - battle crashes fixed (thanks to Germanicu5) - several missing textures fixed - some tiny balance tweaks

Features: * New Factions - Reworked Eriador - The Kingdom of Arnor - The Orcs of Gundabad * New Heroes & Units * Many new gameplay features & Improvements * New siege weapons for evil factions * New graphics - Another main feature will be a completely new campaign: The Fellowship * play with all heroes of the fellowship and try to destroy the One Ring * experiene the journey of the fellowship and a lot of story elements * complete unique missions and quests on your way to Mordor, i.e defend Dale from a Rhunnic invasion, rescue a princess or find an important ancillary. * play all historic battles of the War of the Ring, including the Battle for Helms Deep, the Pellenor Fields, the raid on the Shire, the Ambush of the Haradrim invaders, etc...

FEATURES New Units - The Balrog - Uruk-hai cleavers - Guards of the Orthanc - Troll-men or half-trolls of Harad (name is WIP) - Improved Ithilien Rangers ..... New Heroes (by bilwit) - Boromir - Faramir - Glorfindel - Elladan and Elrohir - King Aragorn Elessar New Settlements and Reskins - New Castles for all orcish settlements (based on Teutonic order castles) * no civilian buildings * no farms * a lot of space to fight in the castles - Minas Tirith reskinned - Gondor uses south european, dwarves northern european models Map Chan

[:jason:]

I have a simple question, but odd enough apparently not to be found with the search function...

How do i get missile units to fight hand to hand? Is there a default hot key? Or the name of the option in the controls menu so I can assign a hot key myself?

[Dude with the Food]

Hold down alt while telling them to attack.