Every roster has levy units, though sometimes the levy isn't very varied (like the steppe levies, who are mostly just foot archers, with the occasional spearman unit). Celtic, Hellenistic, Anatolian/Eastern, Germanic, Iberian, African rosters all have a varied range of lower-tier units.
New units look wonderful! Not really the regions I play the most but I still appreciate the work done!
One thing I would like to ask if this is still a thing? Its been shared on twitter a long time ago. Was this abandoned or still being worked on? Any details you could share?
https://twitter.com/EBTeam/status/814112576091095040
I believe current Carthage government already represents them nicely but any additionnal work would still be cool.
Yes, that will come eventually, but not in 2.35. Post-reform governments aren't going to change, but the pre-reform ones, and colonies will.
The Leusitane governments will be rewritten as well, but all of that is contingent upon getting Trarco's time to write it all up.
I am still working on this, the revamped Carthage will have about a chain with 7 governments, a chain of 7 main colonies, a chain of ·"secondary 8-9 colonies" and another chain similar to the current Hellenic city-state but this time adapted to the Punic city-states. The historical descriptions are almost written but we have to implement the game mechanics yet. Additionally, there are a lot of events planned for Carthage based on her interaction with her own maritime epikrateia, with Rome and also with the Iberian and Numidian peoples. The family tree will be changed too, and both Hannonids and Barcids will be more important during the campaign. There is much work to do!
That is very ambitious! Will the team consider to take priority for Sveboz, Lugians and Lusitane after the 2.35? Those factions were forgoten for some years now if I recall..
Nice idea. Lugians barely exist as a faction. Some regional rosters have more kick to them. Probably one of my least favorite factions, but it is in the game - lets make the best of it.
Lusitanians are also in our plans. Two different types of "colonist" points, revamped governments based on confederations and the development of a petty kingdom as well as "colonies" based on migrations and raids are some of the future Lusitanian features. There is also a new system of traits and ancillaries planned for them in order to represent the pastoral-warrior societies of the area and some of their customs like aristocratic marriages, mercenarism, diplomatic presents, devoted warriors, etc. As always, the problem is the free time.
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Any evidence for the wide use of croco skin armor especially on a non noble unit ?
Actually, these guys weren't supposed to have this armor type, I've just found out by asking... They are supposed to be nomads rather than nobles. An error on our part--I also have to change the unit cards now.Any evidence for the wide use of croco skin armor especially on a non noble unit ?
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Regardless of the merit of your point, i presume you're aware how, and i think this is forum rules, "confrontational" you're being with your choice of words to someone that has probably spent more time creating this mod than pretty much anyone on here has spent playing it?
I've no interest in killing discussion, but hell, if i modded for the public i wouldnt bother if this is what i got for it.
I know the team as a whole hasn't had a wholly harmonious few months, but you're calling out someone who has 200 times the posts you have. think about that. for every character you have on here, they have a post. I've contributed almost nothing to this community, I may have views, but I dont get to call out people who are DEEPLY invested in this project, thats for the people IN the project.
If I'm being honest, I think your first line is fair comment, proper member of the community stuff, the second is a dig at someone who, for better or worse, has actually done way way more than either of us to make this thing happen.
I personally dont think your second line is okay. you're calling out someone thats probably spent (tens of) thousands of hours on this project. you think thats okay?
I'm not convinced. I hope you are.
I dont particularly want to call you out personally, but I think its important that I as a 'randomer' make clear i respect the effort put in by any and all team members. I'm thankful that anyone bothers to do things like this. It's not people like me that make these things happen. even if they're wrong they actually do stuff, lots of it. they give time, energy, skill, effort. most of us are keyboard warriors at best. we profit from them. IMHO, until you make the jump from consuming this content to producing it, people need to remember who produces this stuff. It aint me, it aint you. you may have a point, hell you may be spot. but, if thats what you think, you can go do it yourself if you want. I'm told the M2 modding guides are pretty comprehensive.
I'm not saying don't talk, don't critique, but seriously, behave.
This.
I wish certain people here would not just read but actually understand how very valid this point is.
I wonder if these certain people realize how tiresome it is to answer politely to the same kind of ridiculous demands and accusations for years and years and years.
Recommendation: go ahead, people, dig these forums, read every single post in the main forum. Just the last 2 years should suffice.
I am not sure if it's 1,000 or 10,000 polite answers you'll find - answers to oh-so-polite questions and demands like
"this (unit, feature) is wrong, change it!" (without any evidence)
"hell, when are you finally ready to release version xy?!"
"Heck, faction z has to be in, if you don't add it, this is a lame mod!"
"Lorica Segmentata!"
"This unit looks lame, change it!"
These five topics alone make up for 100+ threads here.
And each and every of these threads has a predecessor (or better: a dozen predecessors) in the EB 1 fora (here and at the .org), has been discussed ad nauseam. I remember Foot and Oudysseos and Kull and Gustave and Alin and a lot of other members answering all these questions, demands, complaints, accusations (and sometimes even threats) over and over and over again.
And then, in 2018, after 13 years of voluntary development of EB x (thirteen years!) other guys pop up in the fora, don't bother to read but ask the same kind of questions and make the same kind of demands yet again - and in a rather demanding, arrogant, snarky and confrontational tone even, get a couple perhaps not-so-very-polite answers ... and start to complain about that.
It would be funny if it wasn't that depressing.
Well, honestly it is a feedback mechanism where the politeness is decreasing the longer the discussion grows. Don't forget there is some issues here to debate about very complex stuffs. There is a language barrier, there is a source barrier and there is a transparency barrier for peoples that come here to argue. I remember a discussion when I was very young where I tried to argue about the nonexistence of round shields in La Tène warfare culture and where I wasn't able to make any points because all my sources where in French and I wasn't very skilled in English. I did some mistakes by sometime being unpolite, but it was most often unintentional. Although, the discussion heated up and clearly everybody got mad and pissed off from this. And it still something I haven't forgotten.These five topics alone make up for 100+ threads here.
And each and every of these threads has a predecessor (or better: a dozen predecessors) in the EB 1 fora (here and at the .org), has been discussed ad nauseam. I remember Foot and Oudysseos and Kull and Gustave and Alin and a lot of other members answering all these questions, demands, complaints, accusations (and sometimes even threats) over and over and over again.
And then, in 2018, after 13 years of voluntary development of EB x (thirteen years!) other guys pop up in the fora, don't bother to read but ask the same kind of questions and make the same kind of demands yet again - and in a rather demanding, arrogant, snarky and confrontational tone even, get a couple perhaps not-so-very-polite answers ... and start to complain about that.
Moreover, I want to highlight something maybe hard for you to understand and to hear it. But you have kinda a responsibility for being a minimum accurate in your representation of less-known cultures. You don't even imagine how many peoples have taken inspiration from the first europa barbarorum. And you don't imagine the work it is to undone the things that were done in the past. For my case, it was to point out the mistakes on celtic units and celtic names. From Mount&Blade to 0 A.D., a lot of peoples thought it was a very historical representation and started to take inspiration for their work. Don't forget that sometimes you are the firsts to create a visual and enjoyable summary of very less-known cultures in a international language on a very popular support. Since you are labeling your work as historical accurate, you must assume it.
Edit: I don't think any members of the team has quit because of arguing on the public forum.
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LOTR mod for Shogun 2 Total War (Campaign and Battles!)
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