Goverment differences

[ztn3]

Some information about three different kinds of goverment:

Absolute Monarchy
- monarch: can be changed only by a revolution, his attributes have double effect

- ministers: can be replaced by candidates anytime, add ratio of candidates is 1/turn, no elections - minister stays until he dies (he is replaced by his son afterwards) or is kicked out

pros: happiness for nobles +2
repression 5
all land recruitment -5%
ministers can be changed anytime

cons: research rate -5%
happiness for plebs -2
reduced minister's personal growth
continual research (especially enlightenment) provides increasing clamour for reform (negative public order)


Constitutional Monarchy

- monarch: can be changed only by a revolution

- ministers: can be replaced only by an unknown random candidate (ratio of replacing is 1 minister/turn), elections every 10 years (current goverment is replaced by opposition - displayed below - if the goverment popularity is too low - I suppose below 50% or so?)

pros: happiness for both classes +1
repression 3
moderate minister's personal growth
moderate education happiness bonus
no research penalty

cons: elections - you must keep popularity of your goverment high (research, trade and military success can raise it), otherwise it is replaced
you can't replace more than 1 minister at the time

Republic

- president: can be changed by ellections

- ministers: can be replaced only by an unknown random candidate (ratio of replacing is 1 minister/turn), elections every 8 years (current goverment is replaced by opposition - displayed below - if the goverment popularity is too low - I suppose below 50% or so?)

pros: happiness for low class +3
happiness for middle class +1
repression 2
minister's personal growth
education happiness bonus
no research penalty

cons: elections - you must keep popularity of your goverment high (research, trade and military success can raise it), otherwise it is replaced (including president)
you can't replace more than 1 minister at the time
your goverment can reign only for 3 election seasons (24 years total)



Some additional info:
- if you have any province in India or America, you get 1 extra minister for a corresponding theatre (can help you to manage your goverment - more ministers - higher chance to get a good one)
- ministers just love to have some lady to polish their medals
- ministers of war and navy have a huge impact on research and recruitment/maintain prices!
- it is definitelly better to specialize your ministers and not to shuffle them every turn

My govermental priorities:
at a start: 1) finance - helps you to get a decent income from taxes and trade
2) depence on your priorities - war/navy if you want to grow fast, prime minister for overall impact

later in the game: 1) war/navy - large armies/navies, research - your minister can impress a lot
2) finance/justice/prime minister for continual growth and stability, america/india minister in case you have large colonies

Few revolution tips:

- if you are AM (absolute monarchy) and nobles are revolting, you get a new king if they succeed, but you stay an AM goverment system (handy if you want to remove some inbred imbecile - Spain and Ottoman come to mind).
- if you are AM and low class ppl are revolting, you become a republic, if they succeed
- if you are R and higher class revolts - you become a CM (longest way to go from AM)
- and finally, if you are CM and nobles revolt - you become an AM

If I am mistaken at some point, pls let me know.

Also feel free to add your own ideas/observations

[War&Politics]

Good work! +rep

[Skeleton Of The West]

Nice review of different goverment types.

[ztn3]

Do not hesitate to add your own ideas.

[mir24]

Few revolution tips:

- if you are AM (absolute monarchy) and nobles are revolting, you get a new king if they succeed, but you stay an AM goverment system (handy if you want to remove some inbred imbecile - Spain and Ottoman come to mind).
- if you are AM and low class ppl are revolting, you become a republic, if they succeed
- if you are R and higher class revolts - you become a CM (longest way to go from AM)
- and finally, if you are CM and nobles revolt - you become an AM

So... what happens if you're a CM and the middle class revolts? Do you still remain a CM or turn into a Republic?

Btw, thanks for answering my question above!

[the_mango55]

So... what happens if you're a CM and the middle class revolts? Do you still remain a CM or turn into a Republic?

Btw, thanks for answering my question above!

I think you get a change in Monarch.

[MyKingforahorse]

Huge battles can result in traits being assigned to either your armed forces minister. Large trade and or region income can result in traits being assigned to your respective treasury (if its in Europe) or theater respective minister.

Things that can assist in traits are getting items which build prestige. So despite being worthless for actually defending cities, the upgraded walls help your ministers build a metric ton of traits at times.

Also.. not all ministers are unknowns. If you pick up a copy of the family tree mod, which enables the button for you to see the family tree you can plainly see that some distant relatives end up being ministers in your CM or AM.

It also lets you track claimants to the throne as well, and there are times where some ministers actually end up being claimants to the throne as well. Unfortunately there is no way to see this without the mod, but it does explain at times why some new kings come into the throne with traits already assigned.

[Groove74]

Ok I am playing as Prussia and I am a Absolute Monarchy. However when I spark a revolution reguadless of how I set my taxes I can never go to a Constitunial Monarchy. what am I doing wrong. without fail it always comes up Republic?

[ztn3]

As I wrote before - it is the longest way to go - from absolute monarchy to the constitutional...
You have to have republic first (1st revolution) - and then when your higher class rebels and wins, you become Constitutional Monarchy...

[Groove74]

ahh reading over it I see I may have missed a step. thanks +rep to

[jouno53]

Nice list of pros/cons in detail, ztn3! Have some rep

It's a stupid comment but I'll say it anyways... technically in the game, you get a "republic" instead of a "democracy."

[snarfer]

I don't see that it's been specifically mentioned, but Absolute monarchs can drag-and-drop ministers and candidates to whatever position they like, while Constitutional monarchs can only kick out a bad one and hope a better one gets voted in.

[the_mango55]

One benefit of the constitutional monarchy that isn't mentioned here, the lower class isn't represented at all.

This means you can have all the industrial buildings you want in a region and not worry about happiness!

[mir24]

One benefit of the constitutional monarchy that isn't mentioned here, the lower class isn't represented at all.

This means you can have all the industrial buildings you want in a region and not worry about happiness!

Mango, you mean for CM there is only the Nobility and the Middle Classes?

Ztn3 - excellent work! +rep to you!

Question: When you say that for AM, the monarch's attributes have double effect, do these apply to his traits (Harsh Reputation, Agrarian etc) or his "stars"?

My Sultan has loads of traits that give both + and - to nobility and lower classes. But he has 6-stars which gives him +6 to diplomacy and +2 prestige per turn.

[the_mango55]

Mango, you mean for CM there is only the Nobility and the Middle Classes?

Exactly, each government only has 2 classes represented

AM: nobility & lower class

CM: nobility & middle class

REP: middle & lower class

[MyKingforahorse]

Exactly, each government only has 2 classes represented

AM: nobility & lower class

CM: nobility & middle class

REP: middle & lower class

Which is interesting since it puts GB at a distinct advantage from the outset of the game. With the london region and eventually the Boston/Philly one once you finish your mission.

[priam11]

Has anyone had a revolution happen to them without any input from the player?

I mean, I can create a revolution no problem, but it is always in my control to do so. I have never been in a situation in where I wanted to maintain my current form of government but my people where hell bent on change regardless of what I did.

It would just add a bit of flavour to the game. A bit of randomness this aspect would be welcomed. Along the lines of succession wars.

[JustForAVisit]

nice list

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Heres a list of units that are exclusive to each government

AM = Absolute Monarchy
CM = Constitutional Monarchy
R = Republic

Cossack Cavalry (Russia)
AM - enabled
CM - non reinforceable
R - non reinforceable

Cossack Ataman Cavalry (Russia)
AM - enabled
CM - non reinforceable
R - non reinforceable

Cossack Infantry (Russia)
AM - enabled
CM - non reinforceable
R - non reinforceable

Winged Hussar (Poland-Lithuania)
AM - enabled
CM - enabled
R - non reinforceable

Conscripts
AM - destroyed
CM - destroyed
R - enabled

Republican Guard
AM - destroyed
CM - destroyed
R - enabled

Garde du Corps (France)
AM - enabled
CM - enabled
R - destroyed

Gorodskiye Streltsy (Russia)
AM - enabled
CM - enabled
R - non reinforceable

Guards
AM - enabled
CM - enabled
R - converted to (Republican Guard?)

Household Cavalry
AM - enabled
CM - enabled
R - destroyed

Life Guards
AM - enabled
CM - enabled
R - destroyed

Maison du Roi
AM - enabled
CM - enabled
R - converted to (Republican Guard?)

Mameluks
AM - enabled
CM - non reinforceable
R - destroyed

Revolutionary Guard (France?)
AM - destroyed
CM - destroyed
R - no info?

Volunteer Revolutionary Infantry (France?)
AM - destroyed
CM - converted to ?
R - enabled

Tatars (Ottoman Empire)
AM - enabled
CM - non reinforceable
R - destroyed

Viborniye Streltsy (Russia)
AM - enabled
CM - enabled
R - non reinforceable

Voltigeurs
AM - destroyed
CM - destroyed
R - enabled

Im not 100% about this list, can someone confirm it in-game?

[Wardrug]

Some additional info:
- ministers just love to have some lady to polish their medals
Is there a way to give your ministers a lady/lover, call it what you want. Is there anything I can do to "provoke" such a thing?

- it is definitelly better to specialize your ministers and not to shuffle them every turn
How do you specialize a minister? normally I just find out what they are best at, and try keeping him there

By the way nice guide here Ztn3

Wardrug

[ztn3]

Some additional info:
- ministers just love to have some lady to polish their medals
Is there a way to give your ministers a lady/lover, call it what you want. Is there anything I can do to "provoke" such a thing?

- it is definitelly better to specialize your ministers and not to shuffle them every turn
How do you specialize a minister? normally I just find out what they are best at, and try keeping him there

By the way nice guide here Ztn3

Wardrug

Sometimes it can be usefull to shuffle ministers (put your best on navy, if you want to start a navy research aso), but generally I'd recommend to let them where they suit the best - that's the way how to get some traits/ancillaries