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    Default Budget Hawks Rejoice -- F-22 Project Terminal

    Looks like no more F-22s after the current order is completed. Should make those of you critical of defense expenditures happy to save $140 million for every Raptor that won't be made in the future.

    The Pentagon is ready to end two major programs that will likely cause job cuts among several private contractors

    Defense Secretary Robert Gates shook up the private defense sector at the start of the week by announcing that the Pentagonplans to end F-22 fighter jet production and cancel the Lockheed Martin VH-71 helicopter program in the near future. The loss of both the fighter jet and helicopter will likely put thousands of Americans out of work while the U.S. military refocuses on a new type of war.

    "This is a reform budget, reflecting lessons learned in Iraq and Afghanistan, yet also addressing the range of other potential threats around the world, now and in the future," Gates said during a media briefing at the Pentagon.

    There will be 187 F-22 fighter jets that need to be delivered or are currently being manufactured, but there won't be any more orders placed by the Pentagon, Gates said. Each F-22 costs $140 million to manufacture.

    The announcement on Monday was described as an "unorthodox approach" because Gates' news conference took place before the annual White House budget proposal to Congress. The announcement initially led to concern over job cuts at Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and smaller partner companies who help fund research and development.

    The end of F-22 production will allow the government to shift focus to the smaller, more versatile Lockheed F-35. There are currently 38,000 people working on the F-35's development, but that number is expected to top 80,000 in 2011. However, Lockheed said there could be almost 100,000 jobs at risk in California, Georgia, Connecticut, and Texas if the government doesn't order more F-22 jets.

    The U.S. government is looking to transition its military force to be able to fight unconventional battles, such as Afghanistan and Iraq, rather than focus on countries like China or Russia, military analysts said.

    Furthermore, there have been several high-profile incidents with the F-22 over the years, with a test pilot dying several weeks ago due to an unspecified problem.

    Senators from Connecticut and Georgia are disappointed with Gates' decision, and are attempting to find ways to not lose thousands of manufacturing jobs that are now at risk. Unless Congress places more orders, however, it’s unlikely layoffs can be avoided.

    Companies involved in F-22 development have spent the past several months lobbying against government-led discussions regarding ending the fighter jet's development, though it "was not a close call," according to Gates.

    In addition to the F-22, the Pentagon also decided to eliminate the costly VH-71 helicopter project, which costs more than Air Force One -- a modified Boeing 747 -- to develop.

    Lockheed has the most to lose from this announcement, with military analysts curious to see how the company deals with the loss of two major military programs. It appears Gates' decision is final, and Lockheed must now try and adapt to the pending loss that will take place after the final 187 F-22s are shipped out.
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    YES!

    Finally we can focus on equipment we'll actually use. 183 Raptors are enough to ward off any foe.
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    So this isn't something Economical correct? It's something tactical?

    And pssssh i say we need 18,300 raptors lol

    We will black out the skies!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hippolord View Post
    So this isn't something Economical correct? It's something tactical?

    And pssssh i say we need 18,300 raptors lol

    We will black out the skies!
    And then the Taliban will fight in the shade.
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    Well of course maybe then they will stop beng so Grumpy.

    I would be pissed off to if the average temperature in my country, was higher than the average temperature at which lead melts!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    And then the Taliban will fight in the shade.
    The Taliban are already fighting from caves, if they go any deeper, they'll be melted by molten iron...

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishHitman View Post
    The Taliban are already fighting from caves, if they go any deeper, they'll be melted by molten iron...
    Couldn't resist the Spartan quote. Sorry.

    But anyways, Raptors are over-expensive ATCs right now. The F-35, A-10 and AC-130 are what is needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    And then the Taliban will fight in the shade.
    300 reference

    America should just keep building up its military until the world again realizes that you dont with America, because it seems some nations have forgotten this
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    Quote Originally Posted by JakethX View Post
    America should just keep building up its military until the world again realizes that you dont with America, because it seems some nations have forgotten this
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    Quote Originally Posted by JakethX View Post
    America should just keep building up its military until the world again realizes that you dont with America, because it seems some nations have forgotten this
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    YES!

    Finally we can focus on equipment we'll actually use. 183 Raptors are enough to ward off any foe.
    so it is true tat the raptors are the best airplanes right now ?

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    Absolutely. I think nearly 200 F-22s, each of which are capable of handling any other interceptor or air superiority fighter, are sufficient for now.

    Now we just need to get rid of the Army and Navy's more extravagant projects and we'll be set!
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    Absolutely. I think nearly 200 F-22s, each of which are capable of handling any other interceptor or air superiority fighter, are sufficient for now.

    Now we just need to get rid of the Army and Navy's more extravagant projects and we'll be set!
    Been doing that, well at least the Army.

    I think the Pentagon finally learned technology doesn't win war, intelligent and able Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines do.

    And Generallee, I know the TUSK upgrade for the M1A2 is done, and we have a few M1A2SEPV2 tanks out there. Never know when the M4 will be replaced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    Never know when the M4 will be replaced.
    One of my friends in the Marines tells me that they're replacing the M4A1, a process probably completed within the next decade, with the HK416. Some special forces group are already field testing the weapon, or so I hear.

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    I think the Pentagon finally learned Technology doesn't win war, intelligent and able Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines do.
    Well, to be fair, technology is essential American force preservation doctrine. I think the majority of Americans would prefer to spend a little more on technology in return for a few more guys coming home from campaign. It's technology irrelevant to current combat situations that they are learning to do away with. Fortunately the changes are being handled by guys clued-in enough to do it right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    Well, to be fair, technology is essential American force preservation doctrine. I think the majority of Americans would prefer to spend a little more on technology in return for a few more guys coming home from campaign. It's technology irrelevant to current combat situations that they are learning to do away with. Fortunately the changes are being handled by guys clued-in enough to do it right.
    Basically thats what I meant. Technology that improves the soldier and his ability to fight the war is good. Technology that is designed to try to win the war, while ignoring what war is being fought is bad.

    Example: Improved Body Armor is usually good, however a bomb that can level a city is usually bad use of monies. Why? Well the body armor improves the fighting man, and is applicable to the wars we are fighting. The bomb is designed to win the war, and in the COE is useless.
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    I wont be satisfied until all our military is outfitted in powered armor and 5 of them can secure a small nation state.

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    Default Re: Budget Hawks Rejoice -- F-22 Project Terminal

    Two hundred F-22's is enough to blast any foe out of the sky. Besides, most of our potential enemies (China included), won't have the potential to challenge a US air fleet any time soon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaigidel View Post
    I wont be satisfied until all our military is outfitted in powered armor and 5 of them can secure a small nation state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaigidel View Post
    I wont be satisfied until all our military is outfitted in powered armor and 5 of them can secure a small nation state.
    This man knows his stuff.

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    To chime in about whether or not the number bought was good enough: the only reason I can think that the govt should've bought more is that purchasing, say, another 100 would have cut the cost of each individual fighter a little. It would be more expensive in total, but at least each plane wouldn't have cost so much, and the govt would've gotten more for its money.

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