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    Quote Originally Posted by http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/05/nuclear-weapons-barack-obama
    Barack Obama put flesh on the bones of his utopian vision for ridding the world of nuclear weapons today, speaking hours after North Korea launched a long-range rocket.
    In the first big foreign policy speech of his presidency, Obama told a crowd of tens of thousands gathered in morning sunshine in Prague that America, as the sole country ever to fire a nuclear weapon in anger, bore the moral responsibility for launching a new era of nuclear disarmament aimed at eliminating nuclear stockpiles.
    His presidency, Obama declared, would see "America's commitment to seek the peace and security of a world without nuclear weapons".
    While critics and cynics are likely to call the commitment idealistic and impossible to achieve in the face of resistance from the seven other states known to have nuclear arms, Obama acknowledged the goal might not be realised in his lifetime. But he broke new ground with a list of specific policy departures, aimed at injecting nuclear disarmament with a momentum not seen for decades.
    Obama said he would downgrade the role ascribed to nuclear weapons in the US's national security doctrines. He pledged he would press the US Senate "immediately and aggressively" to ratify the comprehensive test ban treaty never fully endorsed by the Americans. "It is time for the testing of nuclear weapons to be banned," said the president.
    He called for a strengthening of the 1968 nuclear non-proliferation treaty, the bedrock of global efforts to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons, and revealed that Washington would host a global summit on nuclear security within a year.
    The president called for a new global ban on the production of weapons-grade fissile materials and for the establishment of an international "fuel bank" that would supply and monitor enriched uranium for civil nuclear power generation and seek to avoid the risk of "rogue states" diverting material from peaceful to weapons programmes.
    Obama reaffirmed last week's agreement in London with the Kremlin to launch a new arms control process and to reach agreement on a new strategic arms reduction treaty (Start) cutting warheads by around one third by the end of this year. He also called for a new international effort to secure "loose nukes" and "vulnerable nuclear material" within four years.
    Obama's initiatives aimed at ushering in a new era of nuclear arms reduction were coupled with several warnings on North Korea, Iran, missile defence, and the risk of terrorists obtaining a nuclear device.
    He told the Czech Republic and neighbouring Poland that they could still host US missile defence facilities provided the missile shield project was deemed to be "proven and cost-effective" – two big ifs. He also stated there would be no need for missile defence facilities in Europe if Iran had demonstrably abandoned its suspect nuclear activities.
    Tehran's activities, he said, "pose a real threat", while he reiterated offers of dialogue with Iran. If there was no threat from Iran, "the driving force for missile defence in Europe will be removed".
    The discovery of the world's worst nuclear black market and clandestine Iranian and Libyan programmes five years ago highlighted the risk of terrorists being able to "buy, build or steal" a nuclear bomb. He said this was "the most immediate and extreme threat to global security."
    Cloaking his concrete anti-nuclear proposals in ringing rhetoric and lofty oratory against the stunning backdrop of Prague Castle, Obama argued there was violence and injustice in the world that had to be confronted, but urged people not to succumb to choosing "fear over hope". He cited the examples of central Europe in defeating Soviet communism peacefully and the achievement of the Czechs and Slovaks in facing down Red Army tanks in 1968 and staging the velvet revolution 20 years ago – "bringing down a nuclear-armed empire without firing a shot."
    Anticipating the criticism of his ambitious vision, Obama said he was not naive and that there was no quick or easy fix to the nuclear dilemma, but that the existence of thousands of nuclear weapons was the Cold War's deadliest legacy and something had to be done about it. While the danger of nuclear war had faded, the risk of nuclear attack had increased. "Some argue that the spread of these weapons cannot be stopped," said the president. "Such fatalism is a deadly adversary."
    I think that we've been waiting for this for a long time. I find the fact that he thinks the only way to make 'rogue states' such as Iran and North Korea loose and stop acquiring nukes is for the big powers to set an example very positive.

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    Seems like a hard task..


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    Non of the major powers will work with any disarmament program, they are not crazy. They will never let the power go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karo View Post
    Non of the major powers will work with any disarmament program, they are not crazy. They will never let the power go.
    Actually, the US and Russia are both going to reduce their warhead numbers to the same amount by 2012 or something, I think the number was around 2000.

    The US and Russia will never give up nukes entirely, for obvious reasons. But they do agree to limit them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vercingetorix_Defeated View Post
    Actually, the US and Russia are both going to reduce their warhead numbers to the same amount by 2012 or something, I think the number was around 2000.

    The US and Russia will never give up nukes entirely, for obvious reasons. But they do agree to limit them.
    How long will this last do you think? The only way nukes will be useless is if the major powers have perfect missile shields that doesn't allow any missiles to enter their air space. Till then you'll see the major Nations having A-bombs and keeping world peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karo View Post
    How long will this last do you think? The only way nukes will be useless is if the major powers have perfect missile shields that doesn't allow any missiles to enter their air space. Till then you'll see the major Nations having A-bombs and keeping world peace.
    Um, you do know about SALT and those other de proliferation agreements that worked just fine in the Cold War, right?

    There's no difference, mutually assured destruction wise, between having enough nukes to destroy the world a hundred times over and a thousand times over.

    As long as you have enough to destroy the world once, that's enough.

    Russia and the US cooperate on these issues to save themselves money more than anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karo View Post
    Non of the major powers will work with any disarmament program, they are not crazy. They will never let the power go.
    Newsflash: Recession. Nukes are expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow-X4X View Post
    Seems like a hard task..
    It's been going on for decades now, why should it be any harder under a man concentrating on peaceful diplomacy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stalins Ghost View Post
    It's been going on for decades now, why should it be any harder under a man concentrating on peaceful diplomacy?
    Well, how many countries do you think will let up nuclear weapons easily?


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    I wonder if he's willing to abolish the missile defense "shield", in order to give Russia the confidence to reduce their stockpile.
    The article hints at that, but the decision probably isn't final yet.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    I wonder if he's willing to abolish the missile defense "shield", in order to give Russia the confidence to reduce their stockpile.
    The article hints at that, but the decision probably isn't final yet.
    I read the thread and thought yours was worth a comment. Pres. Obama has indeed hinted at not deploying the Eastern European radars and batteries.

    I can understand Russia's concerns, but if the system does not work there is no issue really. If the system does work, I wold be easy for Russian engineers to do the same. I think there have been promises of making the technology available to them even.

    A crude system might not be efffective ever against a major power but the minor payers will have less incentive to build the bloody bomb in the first place if they cannot deliver it onto a target.
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    Could save a lot of money with the disarmament. The Major Powers should keep enough arsenal to just destroy their own country once, not 100X times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sephodwyrm View Post
    Could save a lot of money with the disarmament. The Major Powers should keep enough arsenal to just destroy their own country once, not 100X times.
    Yeah, that's what I said above. That's why they agreed to the Cold War reduction ones in the first place.

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    it is extremely expensive to maintain these weapons as the warhead decays over time

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    Nuclear Weapons = Peace threw out the world...

    If there were no nukes, countries could invade / start wars without fear of the mushroom cloud.

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    What's that sound Obama's hearing behind him right now?

    ........yeah that's Russia and China along with every nuclear weapon wanting dictatorship in the world laughing their asses off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quadratus View Post
    Nuclear Weapons = Peace threw out the world...

    If there were no nukes, countries could invade / start wars without fear of the mushroom cloud.
    Like they do now.
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    So much destruction is possible at the push of a button or two. Surely reducing the potential for disaster is a good thing. Certainly we won't see any reduction for years but it is definetly a step in the right direction for world peace.

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    I am sure most every nation on Earth will be glad when the US dismantles its nuclear weapons arsenal. Especially Russian and China. The Great Obama-Khan has spoken magic and all will obey.

    See how the Obama-Khan's God hides in the dollar bill?


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    Ban the tests? So what?

    He's still sitting in like 10 times more bombs than it would be necessary to turn Earth into Mars.

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