Libertarians : A danger to us all

[Chaigidel]

I would like to discuss the antigovernment insurgent elements within our own nation; whose members proudly proclaim they will do violence on their fellow americans in the name of "liberty"

just like this chap who just killed 3 cops and injured 2 -- this is a foreshadowing of the corruptive ideal of libertarians turning another person into a terrorist.

the entire white supremacist movement is supported on libertarian ideals

I think they should be rounded up and disarmed -- of all citizens these are the most likely to harm fellow citizens in the name of self interest.

they cannot be trusted with weapons at the very least--- if they refuse to have licenses or obey authority of the federal government they should be imprisoned for many years.

another famous libertarian was timothy mcveigh, the terrorist who blew up the oklahoma city federal builiding

[Kiljan Arslan]

Chagidel I for one am against Libertarianism, however Libertarians are not a danger lay off them!

[Barry Goldwater]

I myself am not quite a libertarian, however I will staunchly oppose any effort to have them all locked up. I pray that I will not see the day where people are thrown in jail for their political opinions

[Kiljan Arslan]

Thats the day I take up arms.

[Chaigidel]

I used to feel the same way, but with all the promises of revolution and violence from our local libertarians I think profiling them as terrorists is absolutely justified

I consider them far more dangerous than islamic extremists, simply because they are better established ( within the country)

oh yeah another famous libertarian -- john wilkes booth

they should simply be closely watched so that they can be imprisoned BEFORE they engage in bloody violence

[Visna]

they should simply be closely watched so that they can be imprisoned BEFORE they engage in bloody violence

What makes you think they aren't being watched already?

[GrnEyedDvl]

I consider them far more dangerous than islamic extremists, simply because they are better established ( within the country)

But not nearly as well organized as say PETA or Green Peace or any of the other whacko far left groups that practice organized domestic terrorisim.

they should simply be closely watched so that they can be imprisoned BEFORE they engage in bloody violence

So the idea is to put people in prison for a crime they didnt commit??

How about this? We think you might commit an infraction against the ToS soemtime in the future, so I will just issue the points and the suspension now. Gotta catch you before you do something terrible.

You wouldnt go for that, and neither would I, but its the same logic.

[Chaigidel]

oh I am certain they are, because they are dangerous lawbreakers

I just fully support the profiling and imprisonment of anyone with libertarian ideals

[Barry Goldwater]

Thats the day I take up arms.

As will I.

I just fully support the profiling and imprisonment of anyone with libertarian ideals

So long as they do not actually ignite a second civil war, I see no reason why they should be attacked and their civil liberties infringed.

[Chaigidel]

so ignore them until they become a real problem, excellent idea.

[Orko]

so ignore them until they become a real problem, excellent idea.

it is IF they become a real problem and wether they can or cannot become.

[Erik]

I wished my country had Libertarians, but unfortunately we have Anarchists (basically the same thing, except for the odor).

[Barry Goldwater]

so ignore them until they become a real problem, excellent idea.

And yours is any better? It would work quite nicely in something approaching a police state on a highway, however we have something called the Constitution in America that pretty much s your proposal over.

I also see no sign of any libertarian actually planning open revolution, save a few lunatics - and what group in history doesn't have loons among their ranks?

[Chaigidel]

yeah libertarians are like anarchists except they like the military and like killing brown people.( and are mostly all white supremacists)

[Valiant Champion]

yeah libertarians are like anarchists except they like the military and like killing brown people.( and are mostly all white supremacists)

Your opinion does not coincide with pure Libertarian doctrine.

Pure Libertarianism does not oppress people of different colors. In fact it encourages more open immigration laws.

It defies laws that are against homosexuality and abortion.

Believes you should decide whether you want to wear a seatbelt or not.

They want to legalize marijuana.

They want the military to take a hike as well as law enforcement and stop enforcing those laws that violate the constitution that every public official or servant is sworn to uphold.

They are not anrachists at all. They believe in Democracy checked by the BIll of Rights which at this moment is becoming a joke.

I could never be a Libertarian because of those doctrines. I am more a Republican/ Libertarian. I support a complete freedom of the first 10 amendments of the Bill of Rights. Those rights are not subject to infringement. They never were.

We had a native american running for the Senate in Kentucky that was a Libertarian. His party tossed him out because he spoke out against immigration.

[Ummon]

yeah libertarians are like anarchists except they like the military and like killing brown people.( and are mostly all white supremacists)

Libertarians are right wing anarchists, whereas Europe's are left wing anarchists. Anarchists are always bad, left wing is certainly the worst kind, because they happen to be collectivist solidarist anarchists: mess coupled with bad ideas. Individualist anarchists on the other hand at least make sense, although of course their system works only in Far West situations.

[Chaigidel]

thats the greatest thing about "libertarians" they claim they follow the constitution yet they do not

they follow the ideal of money being the only power in the world, -- sure this is already the way it is, but if it was unfettered this world would be a hell unrecognizable by any standard.
and the species would not survive for long.

libertarians do not account for the modern age they behave as if we exist at the dawn of the industrial revolution-- the human population simply could not be sustained with libertarian ideals, they fail to apply the most basic logic to living, they are so obsessed with their own personal satisfaction.

which is indeed the definition of evil--- satisfying oneself at the expense of others.

[SorelusImperion]

Liberterians per se aren't a threat. In theory they could try to live as hermits without posing a danger to anyone. Only certain groups and individuals are a threat to the security and welfare of the society and the government has almost certainly already an eye on these groups.

I just fully support the profiling and imprisonment of anyone with libertarian ideals

Such a proposition is as much a threat to a stable and just democracy as the radicals' call to arms against the government.

On a sidenote the antisocial "I don't care" attitude of many Libertarians makes it unlikely that any attempt at armed resistance will succeed. It's highly unlikely that they would be able to win the people's sympathy which is a nessecary precondition if they are going to fight against the US Army. Should they ever dare to raise arms without support from the masses they would be cornered and eliminated like so many other isolated revolutionary groups in the past.

[Chaigidel]

fair point sorel; yet those citizens who refuse to behave as citizens should be made to answer
( e.g. if you break laws you should pay for it; and many if not all libertarains openly break certain laws that they dont feel are "constitutional")

[The Devil's Sergeant]

I would like to discuss the antigovernment insurgent elements within our own nation; whose members proudly proclaim they will do violence on their fellow americans in the name of "liberty"

No they don't, libertarianism has the utmost respect for individual liberty.

the entire white supremacist movement is supported on libertarian ideals

White supremest are first and foremost socialists.

I think they should be rounded up and disarmed -- of all citizens these are the most likely to harm fellow citizens in the name of self interest.

Thus proving you have no respect for human liberty, good idea!

they cannot be trusted with weapons at the very least--- if they refuse to have licenses or obey authority of the federal government they should be imprisoned for many years.

Funny how winning an election can turn a person into a draconian tyrant.

another famous libertarian was timothy mcveigh, the terrorist who blew up the oklahoma city federal builiding

McVeigh was a white supremest, therefore a socialist.