Changing Marius reforms

[Revan The Great]

Hello, I've been playing SPQR off and on again since at least 3.0, hell I can remember back when there were still three Roman factions. Back in my day I used to even write quite a few AAR's for this cool mod, so if anyone can still remember me then great

Recently I decided to crack open the old SPQR mod again, and start rolling on a new campaign. I'm playing a little while and meeting Hannibal in Italy at the start is certainly interesting. At any rate, the Pre-Marian units tend to always seem lackluster and bland to me compared to when you can have numbered legions with their own backstory, etc. My usual playstyle with the Roman's is minimal aggression (usually very short periods of massive force followed by long rest periods in-between), and as such I rarely have much interest in expanding off of Italy for quite some time.

As such, it's rather alarming to find that you have to more or less 'annex' Carthage and get Huge Cities in all of their provinces to get the Marian legions! I metaphorically S - H - A - T (Is that word really censored? I didn't even spell the real word to begin with...the mods are lame.) a brick. That's not exactly something I want to sit through, especially considering how my only real expansion tends to come *after* the Marian reforms. It seems that making all of Africa and a sliver of Spain the requirements for Marian legionaires means that you've already won your Empire by then, and there's not much left to do.

Regardless, does anyone know where the folder is that contains the reform triggers? I would like to edit them to something that (I feel) would be more reasonable. I've already done this type of thing with EB, so I just need someone to point me in the right direction and I can take care of the rest.

Thanks in advance.

-Revan

[BiggBudd]

You can always just edit export_descr_buildings, and just remove the requires; and marian_reforms line from the units u want.

[Hesus de bodemloze]

Also if you want some sort of numbered legions for pre marian legions you should install the legat add - on.

But when you take out carthage you still need to conquer gaul, greece, asia minor, .... Play slow after annexing Carthage.

[Revan The Great]

Hesus - I'll look for that, it sounds interesting at least.

Bigg - Thats not really the solution I was looking for. Basically, I don't mind playing with Pre-Marian troops for awhile, conquering Italy, beating Hannibal etc. The main thing is that I really don't want to have to capture about twelve cities, the majority of them in Africa, and then somehow get them all up to Huge Cities in order to get my Marian boys. Really I'd prefer to just edit the Marian reform requirements to, say, 'capturing Taras' (thus 'defeating' Hannibal), capturing Northern Italy, and maybe upgrading all of those to a certain point.

I have the expertise to do that, I just don't know which folder to go to in order to do that.

[Raglan]

I have the expertise to do that, I just don't know which folder to go to in order to do that.

there is no one folder to change, as far as i'm aware
the marian reforms are one of the hardest things to change simply because there is no one folder

so i'd say hesus' suggestion is probably the best bet

[cnaeus]

the one posting the answer to that question will also help me a great deal because i have the same plans, so please somebody post a solution.

cnaeus,

[Hesus de bodemloze]

You will find the legate add-on here. In order to keep track you will have to look at the generals ancillaries the legion number will be shown over there.

You should play V6.4 the only major changes in v7 are the reforms and generals. You will find the 6.4v in the same place as the legate add-on.

[Templar Knight]

Hello, I've been playing SPQR off and on again since at least 3.0, hell I can remember back when there were still three Roman factions. Back in my day I used to even write quite a few AAR's for this cool mod, so if anyone can still remember me then great

Recently I decided to crack open the old SPQR mod again, and start rolling on a new campaign. I'm playing a little while and meeting Hannibal in Italy at the start is certainly interesting. At any rate, the Pre-Marian units tend to always seem lackluster and bland to me compared to when you can have numbered legions with their own backstory, etc. My usual playstyle with the Roman's is minimal aggression (usually very short periods of massive force followed by long rest periods in-between), and as such I rarely have much interest in expanding off of Italy for quite some time.

As such, it's rather alarming to find that you have to more or less 'annex' Carthage and get Huge Cities in all of their provinces to get the Marian legions! I metaphorically S - H - A - T (Is that word really censored? I didn't even spell the real word to begin with...the mods are lame.) a brick. That's not exactly something I want to sit through, especially considering how my only real expansion tends to come *after* the Marian reforms. It seems that making all of Africa and a sliver of Spain the requirements for Marian legionaires means that you've already won your Empire by then, and there's not much left to do.

Regardless, does anyone know where the folder is that contains the reform triggers? I would like to edit them to something that (I feel) would be more reasonable. I've already done this type of thing with EB, so I just need someone to point me in the right direction and I can take care of the rest.

Thanks in advance.

-Revan

what you should do is pm LT, since i am sure he will help you out since he is a very nice guy

[KittySN]

I wish it were different too... like getting a certain number of provinces.

Then you could have greater control over how you wished to expand.

[Revan The Great]

That doesn't sound right. Usually how it works is there's a txt doc somewhere with various scriptings and one of them happens to be the reforms. Unless LT does everything completely different, which I suppose is possible but I can't for the life of me figure out why he'd have made his reforms so much more complex than they needed to be.

[Emporor Antonius Anubi Sextus]

yeah im not keen on the prereform troops either or conquering the northern africa, I usually take most of the continent before securing the mediterrianian. My only real inerest in the carthage is securing the sea and i prefer that to be a latter stage thing.

If you work that out id like a copy of those alterations.

So how are the reforms different in 6.4?

[Ejergard]

If I'm not mistaken, I think you just need to build an Imperial Palace in one of the provinces of mainland Italy in the previous versions to get the reforms.

On another note though, historically, the reforms(107bc) came well after the 3rd Poenic war(146bc) where Rome conquered Carthage, so it is only logical with the current requirements imposed in v7.0 by LT.
You can still treat your premarian legions just as ordinary numbered legions, just remember who is in command of each legion, and only retrain them at their hometown.

[Templar Knight]

the only reason i dont like the way the reforms are now is because i dont liked to be forced to play in a certain way. I like to choose how i play, and this includes when i trigger the marius reforms, but this is such a minor issue i can easily over look it

[Emporor Antonius Anubi Sextus]

true it is historically accurate but I prefer playing the "what if game", actually the same "what if" game for 4 years now, where there are Roman legions in Ireland and Norway long b4 there are ever Romans in Carthage or Jerusalem..... this is alittle rough on the economy. Its much more profitable too take the mediterrainian 1st, which sensibly is why they did it that way

needing Carthage for the good troops kinda stiffles this alternate reality. I guess I can play it by the history book

The reforma aint about named legions, its about better troops and the ninja turtle formation.

[cnaeus]

playing v6.4 is an option but the main reason its not a very good one is because in 6.4 you still have allot of those weird mountian battles which are really anoying, so if somebody could please post where to find the file with the reform stuff in it you would help me(and the person who started this thread a big deal)

cnaeus,

[el_dude]

hmm...given the amount of interest in this topic, perhaps LT can be persuaded to make a little patch changing things around so that you have smaller requirements for marian reforms (maybe sardinia, corsica, carthage, and all of sicily)

[Revan The Great]

I'd be happy to make a mini-mod and release it to the public for download, if someone could just tell me where to go to edit the reforms. I haven't seen LT around lately though, which is why I hesitate to try and contact him. I thought for sure someone like Hesus at least would know...but I guess I could go and look for the appropriate folder/txt doc again.

[Hesus de bodemloze]

I am just a moderator not a modder.

[Revan The Great]

Well next time you see LT you tell him that you're going to become his assistant modder so that you can help with the technical questions. Tell him 'Revan sent ya', he'll know what to do.

[Hesus de bodemloze]

Lol don' t worry he will be reading this the minute he gets on the forum.