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    Default Toy Soldiers are absolutely Harmless, Or are They?

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    Harmless toy or recruiting sergeant?




    Many children relish military themed toys. But is a new range of Action Man-style figurines sold by the Ministry of Defence a harmless plaything or an inappropriate recruitment tool?
    In 2006, an era ended for a fuzzy-headed, scar-faced, eagle-eyed object of childish affection.
    Hasbro Toys ended production of Action Man in Britain after more than 30 years in which he had been the boy's toy of choice.

    A selection of MoD-approved toys



    Action Man purists blamed the manufacturer's political correctness for his demise as the doll's military accessories were replaced by in-line skates, water pistols and snowboards. To collectors at the website Action Man HQ, the toy had become "generic, contrived and unauthentic".
    It is not surprising that the gap in the market has been spotted. That it has been spotted by the MoD is perhaps more surprising.
    It has signed a deal with toy company Character Group to create a new range of military figures based on the Navy, Army and RAF. These will be sold under the "HM Armed Forces" brand, with weapons currently in use in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    The Royal Marines Commando wears desert camouflage, regulation boots and body armour, and carries a miniature SA80 assault rifle. The toys will be released alongside a range of military vehicles including quad bikes, hovercraft and Scorpion armoured vehicles.
    PR exercise
    The MoD says it hopes the figures will boost the profile of Britain's serving forces. Listening to this rationale, one can see the toys almost as part of a branding exercise.
    The original, in happier times

    "[It's] an ideal opportunity to raise public awareness of the armed forces and what the personnel do day-by-day," says Squadron leader Stuart Balfour.
    "We feel by children playing with these toys, it promotes things like discipline, sense of belonging to a wider organisation and team work."
    But some will regard the toys as a recruitment tool, one that is unacceptably targeted at children. The MoD vehemently denies this.
    "Each of the armed services has its own recruiting organisation and public relations activities are separate from that," says Sqn Ldr Balfour.
    "We know there is a fine line between recruiting and raising awareness of the armed forces, and we tread that line with care."
    Money raised from the sale of the toys will be reinvested in other public relations exercises to showcase the armed forces.
    The new figures are inspired by the recently defunct Action Man

    But with ever growing anxiety about gun crime, not everyone is comfortable with the idea of children playing with military action figures.
    "The problem is they contribute to the idea that guns are normal in our society, and also that they are glamorous and desirable instead of being lethal machines that are designed to kill human beings," says Louise Rimmer, from the International Action Network on Small Arms.
    "So if you encourage a child to experience guns in this way, you are storing up problems for later when the child is an adolescent, and may well encounter a real firearm. In which case the consequences can be devastating."
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    But in an age of advanced game consoles, is there even a market for a military figure? A random and unscientific sample of two children shows a degree of sympathy for old-style play.

    If I had nothing to do I would play with them


    Samuel, aged nine

    "You can have games like these on the Nintendo Wii," says nine-year-old Samuel, from north London.
    "You'd play with these toys once, then put them aside and forget about them. I've got a really old one that used to be my dad's.
    "It's like these, but they've got loads of clothes and you can change them. If I had nothing to do I would play with them."
    His friend George agrees: "It depends what mood I'm in really. Right now, I'm probably in the mood for playing more with these. But in a while I'd probably want to go on my Xbox. They are realistic. Most of them look the same, but they have got good detail."
    The release of the new toys coincides with a growing interest in the original Action Man. On auction websites, some of the rarer first edition figures fetch four-figure sums.
    A mint condition Judo Action Man, in its box, can sell for up to £5,000 because of its limited run.
    Bob Brechin, chief designer of the original Action Man between 1967 and 1988, says the prices are being driven up by nostalgia.
    "The people collecting them used to have Action Men 30 or 40 years ago. They are trying to relive their childhood in a way. They've been collecting them, looking in lofts and in shops, looking for the ones they didn't get when they were a child."
    Character Group admits drawing some inspiration from the original Action Man, but believes their range for the MoD goes further.
    "We've taken [the brand] into role play and outdoor," says managing director John Diver. "We're making camouflage netting, night vision goggles and metal detectors to give an adventure for a child outdoors, as well as making the action figures to replicate the boys in the forces."







    So what do you think of these Toy Soldiers?

    Personally, I think I'd actually buy them and create bloody battles.

    Some mothers might complain about them and say they encourage gun crime. But I disagree. I think they can teach children about the military and how are they any different to Action Man (other than being more realistic)?



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    The detail on the infantrymen and their equipment isn't at all bad. They look almost halfway to being models, rather than toys. The only thing missing are detachable sections that squirt red ink for when they are mutilated by enemy IEDs. Internal electronic voice boxes that make them scream and beg their squadmates to finish them might help too.
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    Default Re: Toy Soldiers are absolutely Harmless, Or are They?

    I definitely disagree that distribution of action figures is a form of recruitment, and that playing with action figures leads to military service. I played with G.I. Joes throughout my whole childhood, and was obsessed with military culture. I still am, in a way, although now I'm more focused on older periods. Yes, at one point I was determined to become a United States Marine, when I was like 10, but as I grew up and matured I changed my mind.

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    Default Re: Toy Soldiers are absolutely Harmless, Or are They?

    They aren't any more "brainwashy" than any action figures/army men of the past were. It doesn't matter who distributes them. Though the military selling and making a profit- a Government institution- is disturbing on an economic level, not so much on a moral one.

    Edit: And as to how brainwashy they are in general, not whatsoever. We are all here because of a video game based on war, we have all played with army men, we have all played video games based on war. We have all watched shows and movies based on war. We are not all in the army, not even a quarter of us are.

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    I agree with Scarface, not brainwashy at all... Not innocent either, but the power of coercion of toys and games is way overrated these days.

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    Default Re: Toy Soldiers are absolutely Harmless, Or are They?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scar Face View Post
    They aren't any more "brainwashy" than any action figures/army men of the past were. It doesn't matter who distributes them. Though the military selling and making a profit- a Government institution- is disturbing on an economic level, not so much on a moral one.

    Edit: And as to how brainwashy they are in general, not whatsoever. We are all here because of a video game based on war, we have all played with army men, we have all played video games based on war. We have all watched shows and movies based on war. We are not all in the army, not even a quarter of us are.
    Scarily, I agree with you Scarface.

    Still, I think that the power that certain people ascribe to 'violent video games' is totally overblown.

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    Default Re: Toy Soldiers are absolutely Harmless, Or are They?

    Used to play with these feckers wene I was like 9 or 10 or something.

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    Now I occasionally play first person shooters and im waiting for this.

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    Doesn't make me wanna join the military though.

    But a question to any one interested not really about toy soldiers as such. What do you think of games like Americas Army that are actualy made to find recuits for the army. I did a quick search in the mudpit/acadamy didn't find much appologies in advance if its already been discussed.
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    Default Re: Toy Soldiers are absolutely Harmless, Or are They?

    they are harmless as long as they don't become real soldiers and spray your entire house with bullets.
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    Hell yeah! Pew pew!

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    I think this is fine.

    Kids love military stuff. They simply do. I hate the "non violent" toy movement. Drives me nuts. When i was younger the more realistic the military toy the better!
    Heck i learned when i was really young to ID major tank, aircraft, and ship designs by playing with Micro machines. They were my favorites.
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    Used to love these action men as a kid, me and all my mates would buy the fake vampire blood too, was pretty badass to be honest.

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    I think it is just media hype. When I was a kid every young boy had toy soldiers. We all ran around with fake guns etc.

    None of them joined the military.

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    So what do you think of these Toy Soldiers?

    Personally, I think I'd actually buy them and create bloody battles.

    Some mothers might complain about them and say they encourage gun crime. But I disagree. I think they can teach children about the military and how are they any different to Action Man (other than being more realistic)?



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    Strange, after reading this article and looking at those pictures I have a sudden urge to join the military...

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    Why are they wearing berets in the jungle? I don't think that's combat headgear at all. Oh well...
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    Playing with toy soldiers will no more make you want to join the army than playing with Transformers will make you want to be a truck.

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    I spent countless hours playing with tiny green army men. Recruiting technique? Bollocks, I say.

    True, I am in ROTC now, but it had nothing to do with these little toys I had as a kid.

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    I still have a load of old army guys, haven't played with them for a long while tho And no, they did not have an ounce of influence on my decision to try & get in ONI as soon as I can

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    Default Re: Toy Soldiers are absolutely Harmless, Or are They?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thanatos View Post
    I spent countless hours playing with tiny green army men. Recruiting technique? Bollocks, I say.

    True, I am in ROTC now, but it had nothing to do with these little toys I had as a kid.
    Of course not

    On topic, kids being more informed on the military will likely result in them having a certain idea of the military. Being more informed on the military in turn maybe will increased recruitment rates. I dont necessarily think they should be illegal though on that ground. Seeing that it would be too difficult to regulate (so many variables) something like that not to mention shouldnt be the concern of the state in the first place. There are tons of military genre video games and not to mention movies that will likely promote warfare and mindless killings.

    But the biggest benefit is the increase dexterity in a child's fingers and imagination. When I was younger I used to play with knex and build buildings and even have a little army base or city. I even designed my own accurate dinosaurs. It was pretty awesome. Although I just used the default knex not the specific later versions that came with a manual. Then with my beast wars action figures would play countless hours. As I aged I became more interested in military warfare. Which then I became more interested in certain historical wars. Which then branched off into an overall interest in history and sociology.

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    Of course not, toy soldiers are violent..no, i rather have and show my kids people stepping on landmines in war movies, gut spilling, and then have my child bayonet another person repeatdedly in a video game....


    jeez...


    pssh...we even play with plastic army men in the RO room.....

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