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    Default All things considered, I am disappointed

    Why?
    I have played all the previous TW games a part from Shogun. In RTW and MTWII I soon looked for Mods, which I found some great example of, which means that I haven’t played a lot of the vanilla games after MTW. This time around I have started 3 grand campaigns with respectively Sweden, France and UK. I have played mostly on h/h difficulty since vh/vh is just stupidly impossible (if that is an expression). I would estimate my total playing time to be about 60 hours.
    My major objections, at least so far, are:
    1. The game does not give me enough excitement, and I believe the reason is a passive and predictable AI that makes everything too easy for the human player. As an example I have as UK conquered Cuba and Hispaniola from the Spanish within the year 1705, and the resistant has been next to nothing. With my “base” on Jamaica I can recruit as many line infantry units that I like and invade other islands without being halted by their navies. The only serious opponent I have met is pirates. The AI does not make many smart moves in general, making everything so predictable and thus removing the magic excitement.
    2. Talking about magic, the game totally lacks atmosphere. No music and sound that even pretend to give the gamer an 18 century feeling, a real shame and a major mistake in my mind. I am so glad someone out there has made mods to remedy the problem.
    3. The bugs and in particular the CTD bugs have ruined all my campaigns. The last one, UK, ended in 1707 when the Iroquois declared war on the 13 states and I choosed to support the latter. As always the CTD is impossible to pass by and now my campaign is spoiled and I must start all over again for the fourth time. I will probably leave the game and play something else though.
    4. The lack of surprises, variation and rewards are just like the previous games. Every city is the same giving no unique challenges or rewards. The victory conditions are much more varied this time, and that is great, but there is still a lack of incentives to conquer the designated provinces. It does not give the gamer rewards, it does not matter in which order the conquest are done, and the depth many talks about are in my mind absent. There are just not enough rewards that make the game interesting to the bitter end. The good old repetitiveness is absolutely still there. I would love a change on that area.
    5. The graphics both at sea and on land are stunning, just marvelous. The sad thing is that it is too hard to get a close look at the forces and ships to observe the units behaviour. At least on my computer I do not seem to get close enough to really enjoy the details without pausing the game or very carefully maneuver the camera to the wanted position.
    6. The game is not close enough to history. I have seen Denmark-Norway and the United Provinces be crushed just like that while historically none of these nations never was conquered. This is a game, and therefore this should be possible in the game but it should be very hard to do so. Iceland was the only province left of D-N and no less than 25-30 units was stationed there. I wonder how an island with almost no resource at all could keep such a garrison? It’s just far out, and it never stops to puzzle me why such crazy things happen in every TW
    As I have said earlier, this game has a huge potential but since less is more, I believe the game have to focus more on the finer details if it should keep its fans. Further improvements in diplomacy and behavior of the different countries would help. It should be harder to make progress in the game, and when doing so there should be interesting rewards. It might not need a big change but a short video clip here and there, some unexpected happenings that spices up things, and rewards that keep the gamer going would help.
    Just some thoughts from a dedicated lover of TW games, now wondering If the TW era is soon to be over

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    Default Re: All things considered, I am disappointed

    Join the club! Many of us are strong past TW fans who have been forced here because Creative Assembly either refused to listen, deleted our comments or banned us.

    I have never seen them act this way previously, but then I`ve never seen such a shoddy release of a TW game ever!

    they deserve the rant. Either they will learn or go down. But it saddens me as once they really cared about the customer and their fan base which used to be their greatest strength...

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    I cant read that text. But really is it necessary for every member to post there own thread about what they like and dont like?

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    Default Re: All things considered, I am disappointed

    Quote Originally Posted by Barser View Post
    I cant read that text. But really is it necessary for every member to post there own thread about what they like and dont like?
    Yes, because this is a DISCUSSION forum.

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    Default Re: All things considered, I am disappointed

    1. Don't play Britain until naval invasions are enabled.

    2. Have you tried any of the mods? You can fix many of your issues with the right combination of mods.



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    Quote Originally Posted by cherryfunk View Post
    1. Don't play Britain until naval invasions are enabled.

    2. Have you tried any of the mods? You can fix many of your issues with the right combination of mods.

    Do you have any link to question 2?
    I would like to know what combination to use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barser View Post
    Do you have any link to question 2?
    I would like to know what combination to use.
    I would suggest:

    - Imperial Splendour for AI and battle improvements and a slower, more historical expansion
    - Smoke mod for the amazing graphic effect
    - Period music for atmosphere
    - Unlock all factions so you can play the really fun factions like the Mughals, Portugal, Denmark, or Venice

    Then pick a Minor Faction, difficulty H/M or VH/M, and have at it...



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    Quote Originally Posted by cherryfunk View Post
    I would suggest:

    - Imperial Splendour for AI and battle improvements and a slower, more historical expansion
    - Smoke mod for the amazing graphic effect
    - Period music for atmosphere
    - Unlock all factions so you can play the really fun factions like the Mughals, Portugal, Denmark, or Venice

    Then pick a Minor Faction, difficulty H/M or VH/M, and have at it...
    Imperial Splendour (IS) is great but unfortunately the game CTD just like before and the enemy is just as passive. The indians though are much tuffer and fun to fight but there seem to be no limit to their numbers...Naval battle is much more interesting too, almost forgot. You should try it out.
    Link to IS: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=244013
    Last edited by Tordenskjold; April 03, 2009 at 08:31 AM. Reason: Forgot to mention an important issus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barser View Post
    Do you have any link to question 2?
    I would like to know what combination to use.
    This music is great and easy to install: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=240727
    You only need the magaupload file. The other two is for alternative download and for one reason split in two. Just forget about that one.

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    yeah this is how you rape a line of games, by producing crappy games that feed off of the reputation of the previous games in the line.

    o btw i doubt that naval invasions are ever going to be enabled.

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    Default Re: All things considered, I am disappointed

    "I have played mostly on h/h difficulty since vh/vh is just stupidly impossible"

    "The game does not give me enough excitement, and I believe the reason is a passive and predictable AI that makes everything too easy for the human player"

    ERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR........

    And to your sixth point.. what? IT IS A GAME. You CHANGE history. That is what the game is ALL ABOUT.

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    Default Re: All things considered, I am disappointed

    Mods I recommend:

    *Darthmod
    *Tighter Formations Mod (not just for looks, makes non-percussion artillery much more effective)
    *Smoke Mod (if your computer can handle it)

    Yeah and wait for the naval invasions fix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by upsettingshorts View Post
    Mods I recommend:

    *Darthmod
    *Tighter Formations Mod (not just for looks, makes non-percussion artillery much more effective)
    *Smoke Mod (if your computer can handle it)

    Yeah and wait for the naval invasions fix.
    Okay thanks I will look them up.

    Its funny (I mean annoying) that the naval bug isin the game.

    It was in rtw and they fixed it ½ year later.
    It was in mtw2 and they fixed it ½ year later.
    It is in etw and they fix it ? year later.

    No excuse for this bug other than rushing the product. It is what many people would concider: EPIC FAIL! (just for using a word I am sick and tired of already )

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    Default Re: All things considered, I am disappointed

    I follow the forums quite a bit but rarely post.

    However, after reading a Gamespot review this morning of CA's latest release called STORMRISE, I began to ponder the possibilities.

    Stormrise received a Gamespot score of 2.0

    2.0 !!!!

    Simply put... That's terrible by any standards. The player scores weren't much better. What does this mean? Well, I'm not sure but it says something about the current state of the company. And, to no surprise, Sega was the publisher. Hmmm....

    Perhaps this is a small clue as to why ETW is in the state it's in. NOT the great game we all expected it to be based on CA's past performances. Perhaps we're glimpsing into the future direction of this company?

    Anyway, I'm curious what you guys think. A 2.0 score from Gamespot is horrible and definately says something about the company producing the game. It's almost unheard of for ANY game to receive such a low score.

    It does make me wonder. How about you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbrandybuck View Post
    I follow the forums quite a bit but rarely post.

    However, after reading a Gamespot review this morning of CA's latest release called STORMRISE, I began to ponder the possibilities.

    Stormrise received a Gamespot score of 2.0

    2.0 !!!!

    Simply put... That's terrible by any standards. The player scores weren't much better. What does this mean? Well, I'm not sure but it says something about the current state of the company. And, to no surprise, Sega was the publisher. Hmmm....

    Perhaps this is a small clue as to why ETW is in the state it's in. NOT the great game we all expected it to be based on CA's past performances. Perhaps we're glimpsing into the future direction of this company?

    Anyway, I'm curious what you guys think. A 2.0 score from Gamespot is horrible and definately says something about the company producing the game. It's almost unheard of for ANY game to receive such a low score.

    It does make me wonder. How about you?

    I saw this in the shop and thought about the review. Empire`s review from gamespot (8.5) was a rose compared to this.

    I also notice that it is not a Steam game. Well, I looked all over the game and NO sign of Steam on it. So why wasn`t there a non-Steam version of Empires if they can do a non-steam version of Stormrise?

    But maybe it is Steam and they just didn`t show it on the box? Someone tell me.
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    Default Re: All things considered, I am disappointed

    there isnt much use to wait for CA to fix naval invasions, even if they do it, the AI will still be too stupid to use it properly so it wont be much of a threat.

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    okay thanks guys. Sorry for the hijacking

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    Why is it that whenever I stroll around here I get the impressions gamers buy games to not to enjoy? If you don't like it, don't buy it...
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    I've also been unable to finish a campaign. I get far enough into it (40+ turns) and then usually when I click on a fleet (fully loaded) it CTD's. Since I cannot really work around the total loss with no gain of a fully loaded fleet I have to start over. Has happened 4 times now and I am very discouraged.

    Have never had these sorts of problems with earlier TW games. Each one I would actively play for a year or more.

    It would be tolerable if I could access the multiplayer. At the beginning I was able to mp just enough to really have an enjoyable time, but for the past 2 weeks I've been unable to get a connect when I pick a battle.

    All in all, very disappointed with this release....especially so with all the wonderful improvments that have been made.

    So sad, The developers seem so sincere when you hear them speak, that they really take pride in their games. Yet do they not playtest them themselves before release? How could someone with CW actually sign off on releasing this game with no AI invasions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mangalore View Post
    Why is it that whenever I stroll around here I get the impressions gamers buy games to not to enjoy? If you don't like it, don't buy it...

    Are you serious?

    With all the good reviews I thought this would be the best tw game ever. It turns out it was not and it was filled with serious bugs and poor game designs.

    When you buy it you stuck with it.

    I would have waited atleast ½ a year if I knew what to expect.

    Why is it people like you need to defend this game?

    We cant all be happy little lambs you know.

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