ATI 4890 RELEASED

[AlfonsoVIII]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AMD-Un...-14824007.html

There test machine was a Intel i920.

[Top-Tier-Tech]

and yet their drivers are crap

EDIT: NVIDIA relesed theit GTX275 today aswell and it performs better than the 4890 http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforc...review-test/10

As you can see ATI sucks balls

[Freddie]

and yet their drivers are crap

EDIT: NVIDIA relesed theit GTX275 today aswell and it performs better than the 4890 http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforc...review-test/10

As you can see ATI sucks balls

Yet when you link to another page of a different game the HD4890 out does the GTX 275 and GTX 285.

Steady on with the fanboyism, there's nothing wrong with ATI drivers or the HD 4890 apart from being a bit over priced when compared to the HD 4870 1Gb. Also you have completely ignored the fact that all the reviews of the GTX 275 are preview models which are most likely cherry picked boards and clocked higher then standard retail models so we should until we start to see boards come out from Nivida partners to see what there like. What I would say is that the GTX 275 is the performance it gives almost makes the GTX 285 at $100 more almost redundant.

It also looks like ATI have finally sorted out the circuitry issues on the HD 48XX line, from the reviews I've read the HD4890 is great overclocker and can give you an extra 30% increase in performance. Not bad for a company that apparently "sucks balls" (what ever that means).

[Top-Tier-Tech]

Yet when you link to another page of a different game the HD4890 out does the GTX 275 and GTX 285.

yeah I read the whole review even on the page you linked GTX275 was better when the game graphics were set higher. NVidia did better in the most important games (crysis etc) and still outperformed ati in 75% of the tests, also outperformed it in the 3D mark test. And Nvidia's drivers aren't as crappy as ATI's to boot.

[mrmouth]

There are very real issues with their drivers, and I simply cannot recommend ATI to anyone at this point. And I don't know how that changes considering AMD keeps cutting their budget. The driver issues started right about the time of the first significant cut. And speculation is that the driver team was downsized significantly.

Driver problems or not, until AMD sorts out their issues, it makes no sense to own a product from a company that will continue to cut the budget of their GPU subsidiary in response.

And again, Ive always been a fan of ATI. They were my very first choice not all that long ago. Its just doesnt make sense any longer though.

[Jaketh]

THE 295 OWNS ALL!!!!!!!!! LONG LIVE NVIDIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!(too bad i cant afford one)

[Quadratus]

Never buy an ATI card. Period.


The card might be OK, but there drivers are SO bad and so unreliable..

[Edelward]

An oppressed minority of Nvidia's fanboys finally get their chance *for glory*
with 275 showing marginaly better results un some games,not even all-since
in Left for dead and Hawx 4890 beats 275.
What about temperature:
Nvidia 275-90 Celsius
4890-66 .
ATI is also better to overclock then Nvidia.
all in all even if 275 has few marginals over 4890 it is in nature of competition
that some get better sometime.Most people go for ATI anywhere.
I personaly would never buy Nvidia remembering some sad exp with it.
Over.

[King Edward III]

As far as I'm aware the cards are neck to neck, with the 4890 coming off slighty better.

Not to mentioned theres a review of 2 4890's in Crossfire that beats the 295 numerious times.

EDIT: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...ossFire/1.html

[Digbert]

I can't understand why anyone would buy these cards when we all know DX11 is only around the corner.

One other thing does any one know if the 4870 or the 260 will be receiving a price cut in the UK

[King Edward III]

I can't understand why anyone would buy these cards when we all know DX11 is only around the corner.

One other thing does any one know if the 4870 or the 260 will be receiving a price cut in the UK

I've heard the next gen cards will be released in the last quarter of 2009, so buying these cards doesn't sound like a bad deal if you ask me.

Then again I'm a hardware junkie.

[Jaketh]

Never buy an ATI card. Period.


The card might be OK, but there drivers are SO bad and so unreliable..

[Strelok]

can't understand why anyone would buy these cards when we all know DX11 is only around the corner.

One other thing does any one know if the 4870 or the 260 will be receiving a price cut in the U

I don't understand your point. We don't buy them for DX10 we buy them for performance, tell me one good DX9 card that can run Crysis on 2560x1600, all DX10 & Very High with some AA? None. The best DX9 card I can think of is the 7800GTX/7900GT/7600GT, etc, line, which is comparible to the 8600GT (which is DX10.)

Again we don't buy them just for DX10. The DX11 cards will cost a big fortune because they will offer raw performance gains over GTX285/4980 at first, until they release the crappy cards that are worse performance than our DX10 cards, (like, 9400GS is DX10 but is a horrible card and is much worse than a 7800GTX), etc. A 4850/8800GT is probably a good medium as long as your other components don't bottleneck it, it can run all games maxed out as long as you keep a resolution of 1280x1024 or 1440x900. They can still handle 1680x1050 or higher with some excess details turned down. For example I can run Crysis on DX9 (I don't use DX10) Very High at 1280x1024 with good frame rates that are consistantly above 25 and sticks in the 30's and will go higher into the 40's. It just so happens to support DX10 if I ever wanted to use it.

Never buy an ATI card. Period.


The card might be OK, but there drivers are SO bad and so unreliable..

Right. What is the last ATI card you used? My last ATI card was supported up until Catalyst 7.10 and each version had some major performance improvements and I didn't have a *single* stability issue with them. The ATI drivers are *highly* tweakable. Same with NVIDIA via the CP and maybe some third party utilities, but that is nothing compard to what you can do with an ATI card with ATT (ATI Tray Tools), mainly the "Advanced Tweaking" section, you can net some nice performance gains. If only OmegaDrive started making his custom Omega ATI drivers again, they were just the best.

From my experience, ATI > NVIDIA.

NVIDIA has less of a problem using image optimization cheats (heck, they are enabled in the global CP settings by default) but will have no problem doing some extra image optimizations for a specific game when it detectes the *.exe launched, (*cough* Crysis for example). This specific NVIDIA driver set gave me some weird artifacting issue with Crysis, it did not do it any other game and I used many tools, including a lot of 3DMark runs to test for artifats. Card was running cool, too. Any other NVIDIA driver release didn't do it. So I rename the Crysis *.exe to HQ.exe, and the strange artifacting was gone, lost some FPS and gained some noticeable image quality benefits. My card obviously did not like those specific image optimizations used for that driver released.

Last time I checked ATI always has the optional optimizations off and everything is tuned for maximum image quality by default, and even more so there are even more in-depth image quality optimization customizations available via ATT. I think peoples main problem with ATI is they persist to run that god awful CCC and even keep it running while gaming. Such a big mistake. Theres also 2 services that can be disabled safely "ATI HotKey Poller" and "ATI SmartGart".

[Digbert]

I don't understand your point. We don't buy them for DX10 we buy them for performance, tell me one good DX9 card that can run Crysis on 2560x1600, all DX10 & Very High with some AA? None. The best DX9 card I can think of is the 7800GTX/7900GT/7600GT, etc, line, which is comparable to the 8600GT (which is DX10.)

I can't really tell of any card from the past 3 years as I was a console junkie at the time so I did not pay attention to pc gaming at all really (forgive me I swayed from the path). Secondly my point was that is why would anyone reward a company like AMD or Nivdia with there hard earned cash right now when we all now the must have cards are only a few months away (towards the end of the year). Its like Microsoft bring out the Xbox 365 with a 1gb of ram instead of 512mb the 360 has right now and charging £500 for the thing when we are only half way though the console circle and saying "look you can have 20% extra performance boost to your games just pay us another £500" all for a frame rate boost and some graphics tweaks.

[DAVIDE]

cool vga. Hope the price of 4870X2 2GB will collapse, so i can take it

[Stilgar CG]

tw3kr-PC, could you be more specific about problems with CCC? I play with CCC settings occasionally and then leave it running in the background. I do not know if it helped or not, but I never noticed any issue related to use of CCC. Btw, I do not overclock GPUs, in case problems with CCC are related to overclocking.

[Strelok]

tw3kr-PC, could you be more specific about problems with CCC? I play with CCC settings occasionally and then leave it running in the background. I do not know if it helped or not, but I never noticed any issue related to use of CCC. Btw, I do not overclock GPUs, in case problems with CCC are related to overclocking.

First of all I strongly dislike the CCC menu. Now the main point of it all is it is quite a resource hog compared to ATT, and you do not need any of the two running for your settings used to apply. It's wasted RAM, CPU time and uses extra I/O reads and writes. You do not need CCC running so why run it? CCC has *much* less options than ATT does, and using only CCC goes against a big chunk of why I like ATI: the high tweakability with ATT.

You don't need CCC running for overclocking either, you can apply your clocks and close CCC. The clocks are only reset when you reboot, so again, I don't know why people always run CCC at bootup and in the background. . On my Windows Vista install I have 23 processes running and otherwise *no* third party tasks running at all before playing a game. Then some of the Windows services I do not need are disabled. So I would have a heart attack if I saw CCC in the system tray. My system tray is completely empty, even the clock is gone from there. To add to my minimalism, my XP install has 10 processes running, that is with an un-crippled setup. A more crippled and not 100% reliable install would have 6 processes running, and even then you only need 2 to browse the web and play some games (without sound.)

(The two needed are CSRSS.exe and SYSTEM, the rest have to be stopped in a *specific* order with Process Explorer or you will get a BSOD)

[Stilgar CG]

I see. Thanks. I completely agree with you on getting rid of unwanted background services. Even on my new rig, I never have more than 350Mb out of 2Gb occupied (including antivirus, skype, and CCC). I think I'll get rid of CCC, but I still do not see why I'd want ATT running in my background

[Strelok]

but I still do not see why I'd want ATT running in my background

You don't. ATT just has many more options and will launch quicker on slow hard disks. As I said in my previous post you do not need ATT or CCC running in the background for the changes to work.

[Stilgar CG]

Ah, I see. So, the routine would be to let CCC or ATT load on start (so tweaking settings are applied, or apply a saved set of settings) and then close the application. Cool! Thanks.