Israeli child killed in West Bank

[6644kp]

here's the link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/7978699.stm

Basically a Palestinian axe wielder killed a 13 year old Israeli setter boy and seriously injured a 7 year old boy. the attackers hands should be covered in henna or not ?

[Vince Noir]

The military wing of Islamic Jihad and Imad Mughniyeh Group said they carried out the attack.

[Virgil]

Not exactly sure what you mean by the henna, but its yet another tragedy in a "grey" conflict. I say grey cause neither side is blameless in any part of this. Random acts of violence by the Palestinians are an inevitable response to the wanton destruction wrought by the Israeli military and I can only hope the Israelis hunt him down and he gets what he deserves. I just hope that more innocent palestinians aren't killed or persecuted in retribution.

Nothing ever excuses waging war on children however.

[6644kp]

well henna because my father's old teacher used to say that god is putting henna on Hitler's hands for what he did to the jews.

[The Devil's Sergeant]

I just hope that more innocent palestinians aren't killed or persecuted in retribution.

Alas that exactly what these militant groups want to happen.

[Virgil]

Alas that exactly what these militant groups want to happen.

It's true, I often times wonder exactly how much these governments care about defending their homes and their people when they use them selfishly as martyrs and rallying cries. I remember vividly from the recent Gaza incursion how surprised everyone was at how little of a fight Hamas put up. Makes me wonder if they took the beating to reinforce their position later. They certainly couldn't have won but they could have inflicted a lot more casualties in close urban fighting on their own turf.

[Vince Noir]

It's true, I often times wonder exactly how much these governments care about defending their homes and their people when they use them selfishly as martyrs and rallying cries. I remember vividly from the recent Gaza incursion how surprised everyone was at how little of a fight Hamas put up. Makes me wonder if they took the beating to reinforce their position later. They certainly couldn't have won but they could have inflicted a lot more casualties in close urban fighting on their own turf.

I highly doubt that is why they suffered such losses. An undisciplined, untrained and poorly equipped people were being invaded by one of the best equipped and most proficient of armies on the planet. There is little they could do and there is little they can do.

[Virgil]

I highly doubt that is why they suffered such losses. They were being invaded by one of the best equipped armies on the planet. There is little they could do and there is little they can do.

Oh no doubt, but I find it very hard to believe in an intense urban setting, where the defender has the support of the populace and knows ever nook and cranny, even with basic arms should have been able to kill more than 12 Israeli soldiers with the loss of 1,500 palestinians. Conflicts in the past, such as the German defense of Berlin and the Russian defense of Stalingrad show that even underequipped armies can hold out for quite some time through hard fighting and tenacity. Further supporting this is the relatively low number of Hamas casualties. Feel free to call shenanigans on me but if I recall correctly only around 40 or so palestinian deaths were Hamas fighters. If most of the casualties were Hamas fighters than I would agree they were simply outmatched by the Israelis but because so few died it seems to me they simply failed to commit to the battle.

[Chaigidel]

one dead jew will = 10000 dead arabs. so yeah tragic, and tragically inept

[Atatürk]

RIP.

[Ahlerich]

oh give me a break. were are the 500 threads with a palestinensian kid killed

[b_133]

oh give me a break. were are the 500 threads with a palestinensian kid killed

Very nice.
And in each of these threads you would condemn Israel and call the IDF murderers but when an Israeli child dies that's your response? How humane, but thanks anyway for confirming my suspicions.

Virgil: 40 Hamas fighters? Even 'Palestinian sources' have claimed more fighers died.
More than half of the casualties were Hamas militants if you take the middle ground between Palestinian figures and IDF ones.

[Virgil]

Very nice.
And in each of these threads you would condemn Israel and call the IDF murderers but when an Israeli child dies that's your response? How humane, but thanks anyway for confirming my suspicions.

Virgil: 40 Hamas fighters? Even 'Palestinian sources' have claimed more fighers died.
More than half of the casualties were Hamas militants if you take the middle ground between Palestinian figures and IDF ones.

Fair enough - Like I said I was going off pure memory - that does change my view on the conflict and how Hamas fought it, but not so much on how much they "care" for their citizens.

[6644kp]

virgil how can you blame hamas for civilian deaths, it is the israelis who recklessly bombed the gaza strip with their f-16's, apache's and self proppeled artillery pieces.

[Virgil]

virgil how can you blame hamas for civilian deaths, it is the israelis who recklessly bombed the gaza strip with their f-16's, apache's and self proppeled artillery pieces.

I can blame them because they are reckless and stupid. As I said in my original post neither side is blameless here, the open shelling of population centers is unforgivable. I don't disagree. However, Hamas' brazen choice not to renew the ceasefire, to then immediately launch dozens of rockets into Israel, to continue to launch rockets into Israel and to basically give them a big middle finger when they KNOW all is Israel is going to do is come in and stomp them again and again shows they have no regard for their people. yes resistance is good, but not resistance at the expense of your own people. All Hamas is doing, rather then freeing themselves from Israeli oppression is provoking Israel to bomb them back to the stone age. As a result of Hamas' little act of defiance, they are worse off than before and their infrastructure is now ten years away from the shambles it was before the conflict. I know I can sit here at my nice comfortable desk and preach all I want about not resisting when its not beneficial but honestly sometimes armed resistance is futile.

[Ahlerich]

Very nice.
And in each of these threads you would condemn Israel and call the IDF murderers but when an Israeli child dies that's your response? How humane, but thanks anyway for confirming my suspicions.

bs. looking at a idividual is allways tragic.

i call a hypocrite who doesnt care about civilian casualties on one side and then expects compassion when his party has a victim.

of course this is tragic but why should i write that. its a given.

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how many palestinensian kids were mutilated for life and killed in the recent conflict. nobody even knows. how many of those victims made it to a headline?
no headline - no tragic - nobody mourns except the family that might have survived

[Draksen]

Very nice.
And in each of these threads you would condemn Israel and call the IDF murderers

That's exactly what they are. A criminal state. Nothing more nothing less.
I thought that after the holocaust the jewish state would be wiser.
Even when they kill children they have that skill to present themselves as victims.

The day the international community will declare them officially criminals (and we're damn close), it will be extremely fun to watch

[b_133]

That's exactly what they are. A criminal state. Nothing more nothing less.
I thought that after the holocaust the jewish state would be wiser.
Even when they kill children they have that skill to present themselves as victims.

The day the international community will declare them officially criminals (and we're damn close), it will be extremely fun to watch

Keep telling yourself that, maybe it will become true if you try hard enough

[Draksen]

Keep telling yourself that, maybe it will become true if you try hard enough

Israel would be very lucky if it was only me...
You're young, you'll see it, the fall of that criminal state.

[Kopis]

That's exactly what they are. A criminal state. Nothing more nothing less.
I thought that after the holocaust the jewish state would be wiser.
Even when they kill children they have that skill to present themselves as victims.

The day the international community will declare them officially criminals (and we're damn close), it will be extremely fun to watch

Great! Now the Holocaust obliges Israel to be, what you think is morally superior. Maybe you just let them be (something an astonishing amount of people has serious problems with) and care for you own (and brave France's) morals.

Using the Holocaust as a moral club against Jews-> priceless superstition!