Still stuttering baby, still stuttering

[FuriousPig]

This most recent patch has done nothing for the sudden major slowdown I get on the campaign map. Everything runs smooth until the battle or siege screen comes up. If I fight then it often goes back to normal afterwards but just exiting the siege screen causes the game to run at a constant 4fps, indefinitely. Is there any workaround to this yet?

I'm using an Opteron 165 processor on an aging Epox 939 Ultra motherboard. Graphics are Sapphire 3850 on AGP. Audigy 2zs or something soundcard. Windows XP blaa blaa.

[Lincoln6Echo]

This most recent patch has done nothing for the sudden major slowdown I get on the campaign map. Everything runs smooth until the battle or siege screen comes up. If I fight then it often goes back to normal afterwards but just exiting the siege screen causes the game to run at a constant 4fps, indefinitely. Is there any workaround to this yet?

I'm using an Opteron 165 processor on an aging Epox 939 Ultra motherboard. Graphics are Sapphire 3850 on AGP. Audigy 2zs or something soundcard. Windows XP blaa blaa.

Well, not knowing what a Opteron 165 processor is, it sounds like your whol rig is severely out of date. How old is the machine?

[Ondaderthad]

The Opteron series 100 "Denmark" is a 64 bit processor Dual Core but the 165 is the slowest in the series.
And since you mention AGP this Video card will be the bottleneck.
IMHO

[ust]

It doesn't really matter which CPU one is playing on when it comes to the campaign map stuttering: everyone is suffering under this "issue" even people with the latest CPUs.
I'm on a Q6600 overclocked to 3.3 Ghz and I experience severe campaing map stuttering too

[Yojimbo]

This most recent patch has done nothing for the sudden major slowdown I get on the campaign map. Everything runs smooth until the battle or siege screen comes up. If I fight then it often goes back to normal afterwards but just exiting the siege screen causes the game to run at a constant 4fps, indefinitely. Is there any workaround to this yet?

I'm using an Opteron 165 processor on an aging Epox 939 Ultra motherboard. Graphics are Sapphire 3850 on AGP. Audigy 2zs or something soundcard. Windows XP blaa blaa.

Your graphics card and mobo are acient pos's you need to upgrade. You cpu also totally sucks as its a 1.8ghz server dual core. Throw that pc out and start over.

the game is patheticly hopelessy optimised however so it doesn't mean that upgrading will make it much better but that pc is all around horrible.

[FuriousPig]

I'm running everything on high with 2xAA and get constant frame rates of 25+ on the battle map and 40+ on the campaign map... until it starts stuttering. The processor is overclocked to 2500mhz and the graphics card, even on AGP, is the equivalent to the lower of the Nvidia 8800 cards. It plays any other games, Fallout 3, Dead Space, you name it, without a single hitch. I'm getting the most out of my ancient POS system while you're just wasting your money. Either that, or being spoilt senseless by mommy and daddy. I'm guessing the latter, given the tone of some of, or rather one of, your responses.

I started the thread with a quick rundown of my system to see if anyone, anywhere, with a similar system or whatever, has managed to affect/reduce the sudden stuttering in any way, shape or form. Yeh, and maybe the makers of the game might find it useful to know that this is still a big PITA for me and others, and we're wondering why it doesnt seem to have been addressed at all. It's not a total show stopper of a bug but it does still make the game unplayable.

[Yojimbo]

I'm running everything on high with 2xAA and get constant frame rates of 25+ on the battle map and 40+ on the campaign map... until it starts stuttering.

No you do not. my specs pwn yours (q9550 2gb 667mhz ram 8800gt xi fatality) and I get 15-20 and sometimes <10 fps in battles all on high and 10fps on the campaign map. latest drivers. I take care of this pc very very well and everything is updated and clean. AGP is crap and your cpu is crap and you shouldn't get even close to the performance i get.

[irishron]

This most recent patch has done nothing for the sudden major slowdown I get on the campaign map. Everything runs smooth until the battle or siege screen comes up. If I fight then it often goes back to normal afterwards but just exiting the siege screen causes the game to run at a constant 4fps, indefinitely. Is there any workaround to this yet?

I'm using an Opteron 165 processor on an aging Epox 939 Ultra motherboard. Graphics are Sapphire 3850 on AGP. Audigy 2zs or something soundcard. Windows XP blaa blaa.

That AGP will kill you in this game. It doesn't have the gpu or the video bandwidth this game requires. You need a new rig with a pcie x16 slot and a video card and power supply big enough to back it up.

[FuriousPig]

ETW only uses 2 cores and my AGP 3850 is very comparable, if not the same, as your 8800GT. Tests have shown that AGP isnt even such a bottlneck in real-world applications. PCI-E is of course future proofed but all the hype around it is/was just there so that you keep upgrading and spending your money.

The bottom line is this: My battles have not become massive yet because I've not played too much, thats due to the stuttering, but I assure you that my frames ARE that. Get thet? They ARE! Haha

Now, anyone care to address the issue of the *random* stuttering?

[Yojimbo]

Manners? All I'm saying is your pc is an outdated rig using very old standards and parts and guess what the fact your card is equal to a 8800gt doesn't mean jack because An AGP port has a fraction of the throughput of a PCI-e slot. This means that it doesn't matter how powerful your card is, its still limited by having to communicate though a tiny bandwidth slot that bottlenecks it. This is just like putting a stack of vram on a crap card. The card cant use it because its a slow card and it bottlenecks itself. If you get the same card in PCI-E you'll see a large difference. There is a reason AGP is out of date. And errrr no a pci-e 8x is comparable to a agp 8x not a pci-16x

My computer works perfectly with other games as well as it's specs will allow. I only get horrible performance in etw as the game is a bugfest.

And er no i don't flaunt my specs as i didn't spend "loads of money" I spent $1200 over two years for my entire rig that I have rebuild sevral times including 5.1 speakers and 22in monitor and the rest. I just pointed out that that you have an outdated socket type, a slow processor even tho it is dual. I had a 1.7ghz e2160 before I upgraded to this and i know its the bare minimum and I saw alot less lag not because of the extra cores, as etw doesn't support them but because its 2.83ghz not 1.7ghz.

Your old mobo probably also only supports slow ddr1 ram as well.

And lol at the "learn some manners" when you call us retards and children and tell us to take our Ritalin and make fun of me for actually keeping up with the times and getting a decent computer when all we are doing is telling you you need a pc upgrade while you ignore us, insult us and insist your right.

Good day.

[irishron]

ETW only uses 2 cores and my AGP 3850 is very comparable, if not the same, as your 8800GT. Tests have shown that AGP isnt even such a bottlneck in real-world applications. PCI-E is of course future proofed but all the hype around it is/was just there so that you keep upgrading and spending your money.

The bottom line is this: My battles have not become massive yet because I've not played too much, thats due to the stuttering, but I assure you that my frames ARE that. Get thet? They ARE! Haha

Now, anyone care to address the issue of the *random* stuttering?

Random stuttering? How about the game trying to load everything into memory? Mine still does it at times in Medieval2.

If you think you have problems, go back about 22-23 years and try to play a cga game with 640kb memory and no harddrive.

[rsslcs]

Here here! Well said. No offense, but people like that should at least be polite when asking for advice, and then when they recieve it, they dismiss it. They shouldn't post in the first place.

[Wondaboy]

At least we know why his is called FURIOUS pig and not just pig!!! LMAO

Any who.....Your machine is old mate and you do need an upgrade do you honestly expect to keep playing latest games with old tech..

In relation to the stuttering I dont think its your specs, unless you trying to run SM3 on that GPU.....go into graphics and put it on Shader Model 2 and try it. But the lag is due to memory leaks...and will "Hopefully" get fixed.

Hell even my specs below I am getting major lag in my game but I OWN the whole of Europe and the year is 1850ish...

[Spaxspore]

all i got to say is PLEASE listen to Forlorn Hope. 90% of what he/she is saying is right on the money. The only thing im curious about is how FH is getting only getting 10fps sometimes in battles with that setup. My bro has almost identical setup except with a 4870 and it runs great on the campaign map/battles. As does my box, but it should.


As for Furious Pig-

The 3850 is SLOW good in its day, but its going on 2yrs old it cant be compared to the 8800gt cause its not even in the same weight clase. Thats why ATI made the 4850 to directly compete with the 8800 series namely the 8800gtx/9800gtx and it does it very well.

What he said about the proc is right, a first gen server dual core @ 1.8ghz well play the game, but proably not very well.

I dont see where you stated what your ram is...

Epox has been out of business for almost 3yrs.

Upgrade would be nice, the AGP slot is limiting your options.

[FuriousPig]

Manners because who are you to say what performance I get on my PC. Your way of 'pointing out' that my PC is out of date is like me coming to you while you're struggling on the treadmill and stating 'you're fat'. And about me not being polite, how else would you like me to respond to a bunch of totally unconstructive posts? Yeh, it's clear that my system is old but it's not the issue. I'll call a spade a spade and, basically, most of you are just trolling, jumping to whatever simple conclusion crosses your minds first. I see these posts absolutely everywhere, where one guy asks for advice on something and about half of the responders just write 'you're system is a POS, buy a new one', without barely a considered thought, like it actually bothers them that someone is running on old tech.

For the record, and just to bury this nonsense, my graphics card runs the same as the PCI-E version. Yes, the x16 version: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...gp,1939-4.html Don't assume that, just because you think something, it automatically has to be true Whatever, the game runs smooth enough when the stuttering doesnt happen. I have 2gb of G-skill ram overclocked to 233mhz and I get 99,000 points in aquamark 3 (for the record, but not for comparison, obviously).

I call it *random* stuttering because some of the time it would start when bringing up the battle option screen, and would continue, and other times when I'm just scrolling around the world, clicking on nothing. My guess it has something to do with memory leaking, as something probably is being loaded but then things screw up and it goes into some kind of loop...

So, judging by how all this went I guess there isn't a conclusive answer or solution out there. I'll be around after the next patch is released to ask if anyone's situtation has improved in this regard. Laterz

[Spaxspore]

Yes I know it runs the same as the PCIE 3850. But 3850 is the fastest AGP card made mainly because its using all of the AGP bus bandwidth capabilities.

You came here, asked while its stuttering, we told you. It also didnt help that you didnt state how much ram you have...



As for the analogy with the fat man... he is on a treadmill so he is doing something concerning his problem.



Finally, why ask for help when you dont like the answers and already have your answer already "its a memory leak".

Cheers

[FuriousPig]

Your analogy is irrelevant, actually, and mine still holds true. So what if he's doing something about it, it still wouldn't be right for me to say 'you're fat', especially in that sort of tone, even if he did ask for advice.

I came to ask for any ways of solving the stuttering but all I was told was that my system is a POS. So, I do my best to explain that my system ain't the issue, and thought I was clear, but people still seem to be hung up on the same point. The memory leak answer I eventually got later on in amongst all the chaff. Who knows, maybe it is the issue, maybe it isn't, but at least I know that other people who have the problem haven't been able to fix it.

[irishron]

Do your research in this Empire forum, .com's, .org's, Steam's, and hard telling how many others, you will find issues on hardware arguements on what is considered out of date and what is software related. I stand by my arguement that AGP cannot handle this game as well as PCI-e.

This game has serious memory leaks-documented. It has serious optimization issues, cpu and gpu-documented.

You ask for an opinion, I give what I know and you for all intents and purposes tell me I don't what I'm talking about flippantly. If you have all the answers, why are asking unless you're trying to start a flame war?

[Spaxspore]

Memory leaks will only effect to a degree.

POS is a strong word, i dont use it. I just said its out of date. You still havnt mentioned how much ram you have.

Anyhow, im done with this thread its going now where, going to help others who need it.

[Geordie-warlord]

well i didnt think people would be having major problems in this area as the hype before launch when everyone was saying you would need a super comp to play the game...well i get 60+ frames (using fraps to benchmark) most of the time.
but i still get a bit of lag when selecting a naval unit sometimes up to 10'sec ....it's a disgrace and trying to fix up my units in a port..well lets just say just to select a unit then click to fix it...with a fleet it can take an age...not good enough IMHO.
but my rig is a modest one nothing great apart from i have tweaked it up a bit.
amd 6000+ x2 @3.5ghz oc'd
m2n-e mobo
3ghz ram @ 800 mhz
8800gt oc'd
22" screen
plenty of hdd space
fully optimized and cleaned
tweaked windows xp pro lite.