Changing State religion, capital, looking family tree: Possible no more?

[VOP2288]

Did I miss something or can you really not do things like change your state religion, change your capital, or even look at your royal family's line anymore?

[Hellman109]

Thats right.

Everything must go!

Sale sale sale, we must get ETW out for sale? does it start... sometime? yes? its complete send it out the door!

Infact, it tells you when the royals have a new heir, but most often that heir doesnt take the throne!

[ohnoesaz]

Thats right.

Everything must go!

Sale sale sale, we must get ETW out for sale? does it start... sometime? yes? its complete send it out the door!

Infact, it tells you when the royals have a new heir, but most often that heir doesnt take the throne!

Yeah, its getting sad. And yes original poster, you're right, much of the depth is gone.

[tokaiser]

Didnt miss a thing. Game has no content. Watch, how boring this game gets in another month. Its so shallow its ing sad. Features that were in vanilla rome are left out of Empire. But we got shiny new graphics. SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tkubic46]

ing CA

[Steinig]

Game has no content

Thats ture, i see it as a game development kit with included engine now and wait for mods

In fact as long as the mod support are ok, i dont care about the content (Which is nearly not available)

But hey if the price for a perfect game core are much less content, i´ll go with that cause adding units, factions ...content can be done by the community.

Its maybe not that good for CA´s public relation, but finaly i´ll get the game i want.
Of course its not realy CA´s work then, but who cares.


What im trying to say is i would accept any lack of content if the modding support is taken seriosly


Unfortunatly it seems that ca didnot realize that, cause there are no tools, dokus or anything from ca available. I don twant to judge them right now, i just hope these things are on the run.

I get also a feeling that they delay the release of dokus and tools to sell the special units bevore people add hundrets of units and noone cares about that ripp off.

But i cant proove it

[Frost, colonel]

Unfortunatly it seems that ca didnot realize that, cause there are no tools, dokus or anything from ca available. I don twant to judge them right now, i just hope these things are on the run.

I get also a feeling that they delay the release of dokus and tools to sell the special units bevore people add hundrets of units and noone cares about that ripp off.

But i cant proove it

I think the the skill of the modders is becoming so good(and more people are doing it) that CA want to get their own expansion out of the door, before the community has something so good in the pipeline that customers say, nar, I'm just waiting for the mod that's coming soon, why do I want CA's expansion?

Even if CA are keen(and why would they) Sega will certainly be telling them that it's bad for buisness to help the modders to soon.
Anyone else think this is logical?

[General_Meevious]

The loss of the royal family is both welcome and appropriate. Why do you need to see the family line? Does it matter who the king is next? It's not like you can use him in battle, so what difference does it make?

I consider you a fool.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_XII_of_Sweden

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_the_Great

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_II_of_Prussia

and so on. Many regents led armies in this time period. There is no reason for abolishing the old royal family system except for time constraints/laziness. >_>

[Varaaki]

I consider you a fool.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_XII_of_Sweden

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_the_Great

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_II_of_Prussia

and so on. Many regents led armies in this time period. There is no reason for abolishing the old royal family system except for time constraints/laziness. >_>

There is absolutely no reason for name-calling.

You seem to not have understood my comment; I said that in the game you cannot use your sovereign in battle, which is indisputably true. You, however, seem to think I said no sovereigns historically lead their armies in battle, which is neither what I said nor true.

My point is that because the game does not represent the sovereign as a general and no longer are the generals of your nation the members of the sovereign's family, there is no need for a family tree.

If you'd care to comment about what I've said, feel free, but don't throw epithets at me because you didn't understand my post.

[eatme]

Can't you change your capital in etw ?

[Varaaki]

No, you can't change your capital. Though one might ask why you would want to change your capital, since it doesn't seem to have any effect on anything at all?

And as far as the state religion... since when have we ever been able to change state religion in a TW game? I'm not sure what you're referring to here.

The loss of the royal family is both welcome and appropriate. Why do you need to see the family line? Does it matter who the king is next? It's not like you can use him in battle, so what difference does it make?

[Freeman]

No, you can't change your capital. Though one might ask why you would want to change your capital, since it doesn't seem to have any effect on anything at all?

And as far as the state religion... since when have we ever been able to change state religion in a TW game? I'm not sure what you're referring to here.

The loss of the royal family is both welcome and appropriate. Why do you need to see the family line? Does it matter who the king is next? It's not like you can use him in battle, so what difference does it make?

nonsense on the part concerning the family tree. i can count how many times ive had to fight a war of succesion with austria playing as france... it gets annoying, the fact that i dont even know about the succession problem until war breaks out . having the ability to monitor your empires family tree and influence it is a big part of past TW games. its a shame that CA left this feature out in empire.

[vlad_flyzzz]

The feature of viewing the family tree is indeed gone, which is sad.
Not having this feature, however, does not detract from the game's overall playability. And saying things like "Watch, how boring this game gets in another month" just because of that is a bit of a overreaction.

Religion was preset in all other TW games, with no possibility of changing it. Not even in Medieval, which was set in the right time frame for all sorts of religious schisms and disputes.

Not being able to move your capital is not that big of a detracting factor either - most major powers back then already had their iconic capital cities: Paris, France, London, Vienna. Minor or emergent nations should however be able to change their capital in relation to where they emerge or who is victorious after a revolution.

[darthfanta]

Rome:Total War: Barbarian Invasion can change religion,I decided to maintain paganism in the Roman Empire instead.

[Steinig]

The loss of the royal family is both welcome and appropriate. Why do you need to see the family line? Does it matter who the king is next? It's not like you can use him in battle, so what difference does it make?

It has kind of a "tamagochi effect", brings deph to the game. I realy enjod it in mtw2 although it does not realy make a differents there too.

[Varaaki]

It has kind of a "tamagochi effect", brings deph to the game. I realy enjod it in mtw2 although it does not realy make a differents there too.

Oh but it makes a huge difference in MTW2... you can monitor your up-and-coming new generals and princesses by watching your family's various children grow up, among other things.

My point is that it has no use in ETW, other than, as you said, tamagotchi value. Really though, who would be on it? A bunch of courtiers and assorted other people you don't know and can't interact with? The Ministers tab, in my view, takes the place of the family tree.

[Steinig]

Really though, who would be on it? A bunch of courtiers and assorted other people you don't know and can't interact with? The Ministers tab, in my view, takes the place of the family tree.

Well i would like to use family members, i watched till they where born (Mybe with some interaction possibilites like pay a military instructure, nurse) to give them political power in the ministers tab, or choose to use them as general

But i dont realy need all this, i would be happy with that tamagochi thing alone, didnot use it in m2tw for anything else. (maybe because i didnot use princes at all)

[VOP2288]

You couldn't change religions in past games? What the heck game am I thinking of then? Oh well.

Either way I think you should be able to...adds a whole new side to the game...change your catholic country to Muslim, get in good with the Ottomans or Persia, piss off the rest of Europe...stuff like that.

And even if the family tree was all aesthetic I still enjoyed being able to see who was in line next, being able to change the heir, knowing which members I wanted to use in which cities b/c of their traits and which I wanted as Generals, and which I wanted to send on suicide missions to get them out of the way...plus knowing the royal family and such helps alot for us AAR guys.

I don't understand why you can't change governments either...doesn't the lower class and elite class rebel over reform and government type? It'd be some much better if you could change that up to better suite your own playing style and use it better to run your nation....playing as Sweden I ran into a wall of constant rebellion and revolt as cities previously belonging to the powers of central Europe got pissed off with like...7 blocks of "reform" and "government type" negatives stacked up.

[Duck]

You couldn't change religions in past games? What the heck game am I thinking of then? Oh well.

Civ IV?

I don't understand why you can't change governments either...doesn't the lower class and elite class rebel over reform and government type? It'd be some much better if you could change that up to better suite your own playing style and use it better to run your nation....playing as Sweden I ran into a wall of constant rebellion and revolt as cities previously belonging to the powers of central Europe got pissed off with like...7 blocks of "reform" and "government type" negatives stacked up.

You can change governments - playing as Sweden currently I managed to force a lower class rebellion - its now the Republic of Sweden complete with a new flag

[Their Law]

You couldn't change religions in past games? What the heck game am I thinking of then? Oh well.

Either way I think you should be able to...adds a whole new side to the game...change your catholic country to Muslim, get in good with the Ottomans or Persia, piss off the rest of Europe...stuff like that.

And even if the family tree was all aesthetic I still enjoyed being able to see who was in line next, being able to change the heir, knowing which members I wanted to use in which cities b/c of their traits and which I wanted as Generals, and which I wanted to send on suicide missions to get them out of the way...plus knowing the royal family and such helps alot for us AAR guys.

I don't understand why you can't change governments either...doesn't the lower class and elite class rebel over reform and government type? It'd be some much better if you could change that up to better suite your own playing style and use it better to run your nation....playing as Sweden I ran into a wall of constant rebellion and revolt as cities previously belonging to the powers of central Europe got pissed off with like...7 blocks of "reform" and "government type" negatives stacked up.

I think it's practically impossible to change state religion in reality without some serious upheaval and discontent amongst the populace, and that is just in modern times. What about then in the 18th century. Can you imagine telling you're Austrian populace who had fought in the seven year war that they were now protestant? Or tell the inhabitants of Vienna that they were now Muslim, there would be absolute rebellion. So changing state religion whilst a nice feature is just impractical.

I agree on the points on the family tree's though. I think CA missed a good game play issue if they integrated the succession thing more. I mean you could set up the merging of factions territories through intermarriage if you could see the faction tree and get a princess agent of sorts. however i remember back a while ago that someone found the family tree or elements of it in the code of ETW implying that it was going to be implemented or perhaps finished in a later patch.

EDIT: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...ht=family+tree

You can change governments quite easily. Just raise all the taxes to max for a specific class of citizen i.e middle class. Raise it in you're theater which has you're capitol in (remember to exclude all other regions in that theater from tax so they don't revolt.). Make sure there is no army in the capitol (as you have to take it) and sit back and wait for a revoloution to begin.

I think the government types are as followed:

Upper Class revolt: Absolute monarchy OR Constitutional monarchy (depending on you're previous system)

Middle Class revolt: Constitutional monarchy

Lower Class revolt: Republic

The above list might be wrong on resulting government type but it portrays the idea well enough....