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    Default The Thread Restriction is a Disservice to Members.

    I am a long-time TW player, as can be seen from my profile I have nearly every game published. This is my first time joining a forum on TW, and I was motivated to join so I could raise and discuss a current issue of personal concern: AI Diplomacy. I saw the restriction on new threads, so I tried to find a thread on that topic but I couldn't, although after a search I did find several general threads where it is mentioned as a subsidiary topic.

    I have two problems with the restriction.

    First, because the restriction is not accompanied by a more expansive list of clearly delineated topic threads addressing specific categories (such as AI Diplomacy) it makes it difficult to identify which thread to locate answers in, or which thread would be best to post a question or issue of one's own within. Should I post as a "rant?" "Praise?" A "question," an observation, or a plea for help from the programmers?

    Second, this restriction creates such massive threads, it takes an inordinate amount of time to read through any one of them. Most people won't do that, because they get frustrated after trying to sift through page after page of posts trying to see if their issue was already raised and properly answered. This also means that an individual's questions/concerns may be overlooked; and answers lost within the increasingly convoluted thread.

    I believe the whole point of a general discussion forum is to give people an opportunity to raise issues of concern, and seek responses from other people who share those concerns or can provide specific answers to the questions raised. It is a way of being "heard." Allowing members to post separate topic threads enables them to easily follow the "thread" of posted replies, while engendering whatever level of member interest the topic raised truly deserves. Actual interest will determine when and if the thread dies a natural death on its own. A simple computer program can automatically delete old threads after a designated time where there have been no replies. A "sticky" can keep others on if the mods think the topic has a more durable purpose.

    Meanwhile, forcing members to bury their issues within massive general topic threads is a disservice. At the very least, if you are going to enforce such a restriction then expand the list of threads to cover all of the most obvious topics of member concern, and then monitor the threads to ensure posts remain on topic and are not just space filler replies.

    Now, I want to post a thread addressing AI Diplomacy problems. I joined the forum to do that, and want the option to do it for any other topic I might find of interest. If I can't, then I expect to have a larger, more specific list of topics to select from.
    Last edited by Captain Adverse; April 02, 2009 at 01:01 AM.

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    Default Re: The Thread Restriction is a Disservice to Members.

    Very well written and well argued. I have to agree with you.

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    Default Re: The Thread Restriction is a Disservice to Members.

    Quote Originally Posted by x0teutonic0x View Post
    Very well written and well argued. I have to agree with you.
    2nded

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    Default Re: The Thread Restriction is a Disservice to Members.

    what.. sorry. I fell asleep after the 2nd little paragraph

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    Default Re: The Thread Restriction is a Disservice to Members.

    Quote Originally Posted by Running With Scissors View Post
    what.. sorry. I fell asleep after the 2nd little paragraph
    Not surprising, considering our ADHD-ridden society

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    Default Re: The Thread Restriction is a Disservice to Members.

    twcenter mods rule with an iron fist

    in before the lock.

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    Default Re: The Thread Restriction is a Disservice to Members.

    I don't know how this site works, but I'm guessing that the Forum Moderators have a responsibility to keep millions of miscellaneous threads from using up all the alotted memory. So I understand and respect their job. But the original poster here still has a valid point.

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    Default Re: The Thread Restriction is a Disservice to Members.

    Quote Originally Posted by x0teutonic0x View Post
    I don't know how this site works, but I'm guessing that the Forum Moderators have a responsibility to keep millions of miscellaneous threads from using up all the alotted memory. So I understand and respect their job. But the original poster here still has a valid point.
    Is that true? If so amazing did not know that was the case

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    Default Re: The Thread Restriction is a Disservice to Members.

    I think this would be less of a problem if forum search engines were more powerful.

    I agree it's a pain to do a search, get back 40 threads in the results, each with 50 posts, then have to read every freakin' post in the hopes of finding what you are looking for.

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    Default Re: The Thread Restriction is a Disservice to Members.

    OP neglects to understand that threads are a limited resource and TWC has a license for only so many per annum... c'mon global warming and all?

    I live near a thread forest myself and appreciate the new found bounty of threads contained therein as I hike, since we don't have to export as many to forums such as these any more. Hurrah for the mods who took it upon themselves to save the world singlehandedly.

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    Default Re: The Thread Restriction is a Disservice to Members.

    Quote Originally Posted by dearmad View Post
    OP neglects to understand that threads are a limited resource and TWC has a license for only so many per annum... c'mon global warming and all?

    I live near a thread forest myself and appreciate the new found bounty of threads contained therein as I hike, since we don't have to export as many to forums such as these any more. Hurrah for the mods who took it upon themselves to save the world singlehandedly.
    Lol at this. What about our freedom of speech and expression guys?

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    Default Re: The Thread Restriction is a Disservice to Members.

    you do know there is a search button...
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    Default Re: The Thread Restriction is a Disservice to Members.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bongfu View Post
    you do know there is a search button...
    His point was that, even with the search button, you have to sift through sometimes thousands of posts which may have nothing to do with what you're looking for before you can get the info you need.

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    Default Re: The Thread Restriction is a Disservice to Members.

    Quote Originally Posted by x0teutonic0x View Post
    His point was that, even with the search button, you have to sift through sometimes thousands of posts which may have nothing to do with what you're looking for before you can get the info you need.
    Did a search in the ETW General discussion for AI diplomacy and got a thread with it in the title on the first page.

    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...t=Ai+diplomacy
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    Default Re: The Thread Restriction is a Disservice to Members.

    Absolutelly agree. My own threads were merged with similar threads by mods which had not matched the purpose of my thread topic, though were similar. Searching for answers to questions is becoming very difficult since it might not be keyworded in the thread title but inside of the thread, thus a user has to go through say 50 pages of content to see their keyword highlighted in red somewhere. I beleive mods should not be that tough on closing/merging new topics since some of them serve different meaning or question.
    For example thread on April Fools day with some funny picture would just get merged with TW funny pictures thread though both of them similar but imply a different idea..
    I beleive the reason for the TWC to restrict new postings and redundant content is the limitations of their server or the goal of becoming more obstructive and orginized, though i have seen mods overexcersising their powers regardless if the topic is unique, it seems they just judge if its similar...
    Last edited by akvilonn; April 02, 2009 at 12:54 AM.

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    Default Re: The Thread Restriction is a Disservice to Members.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bongfu View Post
    you do know there is a search button...
    Note: I said I conducted a topic "search" in my original post.

    The problem is that while the search identifies threads mentioning diplomacy, most concerned other issues and you still had to dig through many unrelated posts in order to find ones on topic. If the mods really need to limit the number of new threads, then the only solution is to create a comprehensive list of major topics (AI Diplomacy merely being ONE of a number of obvious significance) and make sure posts within them stay on topic.

    Even then, the problem will eventually be the large number of posts that might be related to the topic but NOT related to YOUR concern. Sifting through dozens, even hundreds of posts to find something particular to your question remains problematic.
    Last edited by Captain Adverse; April 02, 2009 at 12:57 AM.

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    Default Re: The Thread Restriction is a Disservice to Members.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Note: I said I conducted a topic "search" in my original post.

    The problem is that while the search identifies threads mentioning diplomacy, most concerned other issues and you still had to dig through many unrelated posts in order to find ones on topic. If the mods really need to limit the number of new threads, then the only solution is to create a comprehensive list of major topics (AI Diplomacy merely being ONE of a number of obvious significance) and make sure posts within them stay on topic.
    Pretty interesting. Almost like an encyclopedic approach to forums.

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    Default Re: The Thread Restriction is a Disservice to Members.

    If I were CA I would buy this entire site out and shut it down... Its turning into us as the thirteen colonies and CA as Great Britain... They're stealing our money and we're beginning to electronically revolt.

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    Default Re: The Thread Restriction is a Disservice to Members.

    Quote Originally Posted by ohnoesaz View Post
    If I were CA I would buy this entire site out and shut it down... Its turning into us as the thirteen colonies and CA as Great Britain... They're stealing our money and we're beginning to electronically revolt.
    Someone's been playing Empire a little too long

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    Default Re: The Thread Restriction is a Disservice to Members.

    If you give a mouse a cookie, he will want a thread for every single topic...

    The point is, if they did away with this feature there would be hundreds of threads with the same topic, and nothing would get accomplished except a big mess of low post threads. Ive seen two threads on the same page with the same topics already as it is. I can't imagine opening up General Discussion one day and seeing a page full of crappy AI threads. Oh, wait.. I already do
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