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    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...l-budget-plan/

    House Republicans are calling for most of the spending in the economic stimulus package passed in February to be rescinded starting in 2010 as part of their alternative to President Obama's budget blueprint.
    After being criticized last week for lacking specifics in their budget rebuttal, the Republicans unveiled some details Wednesday -- calling also for a freeze on non-defense spending and a moratorium on earmarks for Congress.
    "This is a budget with real policies and real numbers," said Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis. "We're going into an ocean of red ink in this country. There will be a time when others won't buy our bonds."
    The GOP plan also proposes major changes to the tax code. It would allow taxpayers to either file under the current system or choose a simpler option: Individuals earning $50,000 or less, and couples earning $100,000 or less, would be taxed at 10 percent. The rate for income above $100,000 would be 25 percent.
    The plan, drafted by Ryan, the top Republican on the Budget Committee, would also radically overhaul Medicare.
    On Medicare, workers under the age of 55 would enroll in private plans and receive premium subsidies equal to the average Medicare benefit when they retire. Benefits would not be changed for people in the program or people 55 or older.
    Despite spending reductions, the plan projects permanent deficits exceeding $500 billion into the future, fueled largely by big tax cuts.
    "If you like this recession, you'll love the Republican budget," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said in a written statement. "And if their plan sounds familiar, it's because it merely repeats the same mistakes of the past eight years -- mistakes that have cost millions of Americans their jobs and plunged our nation into the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression."
    The plan has no chance of becoming law, but offers voters a contrast between the rival parties. Republicans have been on the attack, saying Obama's $3.6 trillion budget for next year taxes, borrows and spends way too much. And Republicans have seemed sensitive to criticisms by Obama and Democrats that they are the "party of 'no,' " rushing out a detail-free version of the plan last week.
    "If we don't tackle these fiscal problems, they're going to tackle us," Ryan said Wednesday
    The GOP alternative emerged as the House began debate on a Democratic budget measure that largely tracks Obama's plans, though not exact assumptions, like limiting wealthier taxpayers' ability to deduct mortgage interest, charitable contributions and other deductions.
    Meanwhile, debate continued in the Senate.
    Under Congress' arcane budget process, the first step in enacting major legislation such as Obama's plans to dramatically overhaul the U.S. health care system is to pass a nonbinding blueprint called a budget resolution.
    Obama's budget, according to the Congressional Budget Office, would produce unsustainable deficits that never go below 4 percent of the size of the economy. The alternatives offered by House and Senate Democrats would do somewhat better.
    Well there you go Obama, we DO have a alternative Budget, no like yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quadratus View Post
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    Well there you go Obama, we DO have a alternative Budge, no like yours.
    Good, adopt it while simultaneously pulling our troops from Iraq.
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    obstructionists

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    oh wait the budget they propose is still horribly over budget what?

    its almost the same what except it cuts social programs and buffs programs to help rich people what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaigidel View Post
    oh wait the budget they propose is still horribly over budget what?

    its almost the same what except it cuts social programs and buffs programs to help rich people what?
    What about the middle class you hate so much? All I hear liberals talking about is rich, rich, rich, rich, rich, rich. What about the ing middle-class? How would higher taxation help the middle-class?
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    Too bad the Republicans did not decide to cut spending until after they were not longer in a position to act on it.
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    hey man im going to be the one paying the higher taxes, I can take it and still have a much greater standard of living than most people.

    I just want other people to be happy and live comfortably, especially my countrymen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaigidel View Post
    hey man im going to be the one paying the higher taxes, I can take it and still have a much greater standard of living than most people.

    I just want other people to be happy and live comfortably, especially my countrymen.
    Then start giving your own damned money willingly, m'kay bud?

    Here you are, wasting time on a political forum when you could be out helping your countrymen be happy and live comfortably, or some other .

    No, you'd rather demand people like my grandfather, who's worked his whole life, not be able to retire because the people you elect can't keep their fingers off the "TAX THE BASTARDS MORE!" button.
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    I do give my money willingly, in my due taxes, both business and personal.

    no the button im pushing is tax the bastards fairly according to worth !; no man is worth more than 1 million a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaigidel View Post
    I do give my money willingly, in my due taxes, both business and personal.
    Give more of it. Apparantly you play Total War games?

    Don't buy those, you greedy (I'm obviously being sarcastic, mods), there be starving people out there!

    no the button im pushing is tax the bastards fairly according to worth !; no man is worth more than 1 million a year.
    Ah, you're assigning value to people.

    Me? I know value is subjective. I'd just let people trade freely and the money ends up where it ends up.

    If the investors think someone is worth 1 million a year, by God, have at it! It's their money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaigidel View Post
    I do give my money willingly, in my due taxes, both business and personal.

    no the button im pushing is tax the bastards fairly according to worth !; no man is worth more than 1 million a year.
    I'm sorry but no. A human being is more valuable than any amount of money. If someone asked me to kill someone and earn $15 billion, I wouldn't do it. The moral being that you are punishing a group of people because you don't like them, pure and simple.

    Most everyone gives their taxes willingly. How many people actually end up fighting it?

    Why pay more in taxes for more we don't need when we cut all that crap and pay less?

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    irrelevant; nobody is saying you lose everything, people who have more should givemore, they will still have the highest standard of living of any people on earth the super rich wont become magically unwilling to make themoney that allows them the luxury; people can have luxury with 200 million dollars rather than 600 million.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaigidel View Post
    irrelevant; nobody is saying you lose everything,
    What's irrelevant?

    I'm saying, instead of demanding people pay for the livelihoods of strangers, you should give willingly, and so should those with beliefs like yours.

    As I've asked before: If the people are unwilling to make a social safety net themselves, on what grounds does the government stand to force them to do it?
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    thats the job of government to enforce equality on a world which gravitates towards tyranny

    and no man makes that much money alone, without the inherent value of all the things and people he or she is exploiting; that exploitation should be rewarded with a 80 percent tax rate or higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaigidel View Post
    thats the job of government to enforce equality on a world which gravitates towards tyranny
    What tyranny are we talking about here, bud?

    The "tyranny" of the rich to spend THEIR money as they please?

    I'm talking about the real tyranny here, the tyranny of people like you, who make demands as to what's done with money that's not theirs.

    If the people want a social safety net, they will make one. It is ENTIRELY tyrannical to demand they make one.
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    its not their money, its money built on the fact that there is a large poor class able to do the jobs that they repackage in order to profit---- the way the little guy gets some value back is by taxes.

    yeah im so sorry, you live in a tyranny then in social networks are tyranny, I would like you to please cast off the evil ruler, expose yourself to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaigidel View Post
    its not their money,
    Yes, it is.

    its money built on the fact that there is a large poor class able to do the jobs that they repackage in order to profit
    The poor people aren't entitled to those jobs. "Jobs" are when someone pays someone to do something. A trade. Both parties are perfectly capable of coming with their own demands, and if the demands of one party are too high for the other, there will be no deal.

    Since value is subjective, how 'bout you let people value their property as they damn well please?

    To do otherwise is tyranny.
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    your the one caught up about tyranny I think rules are important, and even more important that the rich dont get away from returning some of what they have taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaigidel View Post
    your the one caught up about tyranny I think rules are important, and even more important that the rich dont get away from returning some of what they have taken.
    They generally haven't "taken" anything.

    My grandfather is a general manager of a GM store. Like any executive, he hasn't stolen anyone's money. He gets paid a wage seen fit by his employer.

    An investor isn't "taking" anyone's money. They're investing in businesses they believe will be successful, and in return are getting a cut of the profits that their investment makes possible.

    The rock star isn't "taking" anyone's money. He offers people a product, and whether or not they buy is up the them.

    The movie star isn't "taking" anyone's money. The producer(s) pay the star a sum they see fit.

    Everyone is using their money as they see fit. It's blatantly tyrannical to demand they use their money in a manner they don't see fit.
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