Dragoons and Carabineers.

[Inhuman One]

I never really use Dragoons and Carabineers much since I just cant find much use for them since they cant skirmish. I havent really developed tactics yet that would put them to good use.

But thats not my question, my question is, what where the differences between them in history? Besides the Carabineers not wearing silly helmets.

[Destraex]

Carabineers were elite of the elite cavalry. Guard Breastplate cavalry if you like. At least thats what I remember of the French napoleonic ones.
Dragoons are mounted infantry.
To be honest i did not even know caribiniers were in the game

[Totenkopf]

I use them to flank enemy artillery positions, although with darthmod I think the light infantry have finally worked out which way the stakes are supposed to go...

Other than that, delaying other cavalry or routing units on the brink. It's always fun to let them hunt down routing units as well, especially if there's more than ten men left or there's a possibility they could reform and return to battle.

[Destraex]

I should mention I have seen people on this forum mention that they use stacks of them for rear area policing. They are fast and can be used as infantry. Good for beating militia

[Quin]

I should mention I have seen people on this forum mention that they use stacks of them for rear area policing. They are fast and can be used as infantry. Good for beating militia

They use them as such because dragoons have a special "lower unrest" ability

[Furious Mental]

At the start of the game period, carabineers were cavalry armed with rifled carbines, hence the name. Dragoons were general purpose cavalry but retained their mounted infantry training, organisation and arms.

[MDUK]

I know this isn't how they're supposed to be used at all but I find dragoons are actually very good in combat with other cavalry. Strange. Aside from that it makes flanking the enemy much easier and quicker.

Anyone know how to recruit carbineers?

[Inhuman One]

I believe France, Spain and Austria are the only factions that can train Carabineers. I dont think they have dragoons though.

And I also dont know which countries should have dragoons, which should have carabineers, and if there should be countries with both.

[Furious Mental]

Pretty much every country had dragoons and also mounted riflemen at one stage or another.

[tokaiser]

I love the light dragoons and carabiners for flanking, but darth mod helps with their flexability as their unit sizes and ranges are adjusted. If you havnt got darth mod or similar yet then I suggest a trip to the released mod section.

[VirusITA]

But thats not my question, my question is, what where the differences between them in history? Besides the Carabineers not wearing silly helmets.

Unhistorical unit, they were born in 1814.
They were created by Vittorio Emanuele II di Savoia (Savoy) as personal mounted bodyguards. So probably that's the reason why they are available just to ancient italian dominators (France, Spain, Austria).

[Destraex]

ahhh thanks for clearing that up furious.

On a slightly different point .I always wondered about the massive long muskets that caribiniers and curiassiers have slung low on their horses in the napoleonic period. When did breastplate armed men have cause to use long muskets......

[Sogui]

Real question, is there a difference between light dragoons and carabineers?

And is there even a reason to dismount the light dragoons?

[tokaiser]

Real question, is there a difference between light dragoons and carabineers?

And is there even a reason to dismount the light dragoons?

I find that there is no reason to dismount the light dragoons. Just hit the enemy from angles where they have to readjust to hit back. If your so desperate in a battle to use them as infantry then you probably lost anyway cause they are not an effective infantry force.

[Thranagad]

Real question, is there a difference between light dragoons and carabineers?

And is there even a reason to dismount the light dragoons?

I find the carabineers much more fragile than the dragoons in meele.

Light dragoons handle the carbines much better if dismounted imho. (They spend more time with the targeting on horseback, because of the animation). They're useful troops but just in small battles, and they're also situation dependant.
Normal dragoons can't shoot on horseback, just if they're dismounted.

[HornetMK]

Real question, is there a difference between light dragoons and carabineers?

And is there even a reason to dismount the light dragoons?

The difference is the number of the troops in the unit. The Dragoons are larger.

[johannlo]

Dragoons are great policing units due to their garrison bonus.

Fast, a unit of 4-5 is great for mopping up those pesky 1-2 unit raiders the more aggressive AI nations send.

I like to have one or two in my full stacks, as mobile reserves, to chase down routing units, flanking moves etc. I usually end up using them as light cavalry instead of dismounting as I have enough on my hands without dealing with the micromanagement. They can be hilarious if you manage to flank, dismount and start firing

but of course light dragoons (fire from horseback) are preferable

[Langer Kerl]

Well, some people place light Dragoons (or other ranged cavalry) behind their Line Infantry to increase the firepower in that area. Since Dragoons are mounted, they can shoot over the head of your infantry without causing friendly fire kills (most of the time). I found this quite useful to strenghten my lines where the enemy is gaining an advantage.


However, I wonder if that is somewhat historically accurate.

[Ebusitanus]

You can not dismount Carabiners AFAIK while Dragoons can.

[antares24]

in my Venice campaign carabiniers are my cavalry unit of choice, i usually have two unit of them for full stack. I keep each of them at the two edges of my battleline, right behind the other unit.

There they can help a bit with their fire, can intercept enemy flanking units and then chase routers. A close combat cavalr unit will just stay there waiting, while instead they can shoot a bit too, not bad.