In my town there is currently a bill put forth by the school board to Merge 4 different High Schools into one to save operation costs. I can see many negative things with this plan.
1. Crowding of classrooms and facilities will make it harder for teachers to adequately teach their students.
2. The Campus will be too small to hold a whole 1*10^4 students.
3. This will cause problems with transportation as the school will be on one side of town and about half the towns population is nowhere near it.
4. I think this plan would actually cost more as they would have to build new facilities to hold all the students. If they do not then the plan is doomed in the long run anyway. (try putting 10,000 kids in an area meant for 3,000)
5. How do they plan to make services available to all these kids? It already takes a significantly long time standing in line to get lunch. Are they going to hire new staff to fulfill this demand?
What do you on this forum think? I think this plan is terrible..
Your reasons are right. They school size and staff would have to be multiplied hugely, it really wouldnt accomplish anything.
The thing is, they probably won't multiply the staffing on the schools. They probably won't expand the school nearby as much as they should.
They will save money, sure, but at the expense of education. Bad idea, as always.
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wow...thats uh....well thats retarded is what it is.
I feel the pain about that whole lunch line thing! in my old high school literally 10% of the kids would not get food due to long lunch lines
Also having that many students per teach is ridiculous how will they learn?
wow...thats uh....well thats retarded is what it is.
I feel the pain about that whole lunch line thing! in my old high school literally 10% of the kids would not get food due to long lunch lines
Also having that many students per teach is ridiculous how will they learn?
I already don't get lunch half the time for that very reason..I prefer to walk a mile to a little gas station and buy a monster and crappy pizza.
i have heard of 4 day school weeks in parts of arizona but never actually merging schools. the guy that came up with this idea is a real brain surgeon btw
i have heard of 4 day school weeks in parts of arizona but never actually merging schools. the guy that came up with this idea is a real brain surgeon btw
Well I just know he isn't going anywhere near my brain
i have heard of 4 day school weeks in parts of arizona but never actually merging schools.
My high school (I'm in college now) has only a 4 day school week, in Eastern Oregon. Overall, it's a pretty good deal. Each day would be longer so we still had approximately the same number of hours. Plus, most of our sports competitions took place on Fridays, so we miss a lot less school for sports. Overall, I like the 4 day weeks. Now unfortunately I have to go 5 days in college, and it's definitely not cool.
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This plan must be really secret -- nothing pops up from google. Do you have a source or more specifics to search with? School district would be a good start if not source is available.
Years ago (well nearly 40 years ago) I attended a school in a district that needed a huge increase in space. They built 4 high schools to add to the base of 8 in the district. My high school took most of the overflow in the interim by going open enrollment with a college style matriculation right down to drop/add lines in the gymnasium (remember this is before computers, internet, etc.). The school ran on a 6 AM to 6PM schedule and an open campus. The grades were only 10 - 12. Teachers ran on custom work shifts with some starting a 5AM aand some ending their day at 7PM. Several trailers were added on a temp basis. Everything worked. Parents were the most put out by the whole scheduling and related issues.
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Originally Posted by Simon Cashmere
Weighing into threads with the steel capped boots on just because you disagree with my viewpoints, is just embarrassing.
Originally Posted by Hagar_the_Horrible
As you journey through life take a minute every now and then to give a thought for the other fellow. He could be plotting something.
Slurricane, the problems you describe really are not issues as all because of economy of scale
I would imagine they would build a new, bigger school right, and one that would be centrally located. A larger school is going to have more classrooms and teachers, there is no reason to believe that larger school is going to have a higher teacher per student ratio (that is a dubious measure of education quality in any case.) Nor is it the case that serving lunch for example would be anymore difficult. You simply need a larger cafeteria (or multiple one) designed to handle more people. Yes you would need more people to operate it, but not necessarily as many as all the schools used before.
Smarter transportation can be a big savings, as it probably stands now I bet all students start and stop the day at the same time. That means a bus is only full twice a day, one pick up and one drop off. You could stagger the start time, which allow the same bus to make two or three pickup and return trips a day.
I would have more faith in your school district leadership than you do now.
Slurricane, the problems you describe really are not issues as all because of economy of scale
I would imagine they would build a new, bigger school right, and one that would be centrally located. A larger school is going to have more classrooms and teachers, there is no reason to believe that larger school is going to have a higher teacher per student ratio (that is a dubious measure of education quality in any case.) Nor is it the case that serving lunch for example would be anymore difficult. You simply need a larger cafeteria (or multiple one) designed to handle more people. Yes you would need more people to operate it, but not necessarily as many as all the schools used before.
Smarter transportation can be a big savings, as it probably stands now I bet all students start and stop the day at the same time. That means a bus is only full twice a day, one pick up and one drop off. You could stagger the start time, which allow the same bus to make two or three pickup and return trips a day.
I would have more faith in your school district leadership than you do now.
They will not do that they have already stated that It would be on one of the current campuses (my current campus) But using the School mascot of our rival (wtf?)
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This plan must be really secret -- nothing pops up from google. Do you have a source or more specifics to search with? School district would be a good start if not source is available.
Years ago (well nearly 40 years ago) I attended a school in a district that needed a huge increase in space. They built 4 high schools to add to the base of 8 in the district. My high school took most of the overflow in the interim by going open enrollment with a college style matriculation right down to drop/add lines in the gymnasium (remember this is before computers, internet, etc.). The school ran on a 6 AM to 6PM schedule and an open campus. The grades were only 10 - 12. Teachers ran on custom work shifts with some starting a 5AM aand some ending their day at 7PM. Several trailers were added on a temp basis. Everything worked. Parents were the most put out by the whole scheduling and related issues.
I don't think it would really be on the net..Its still hasn't passed/been refused...I am thinking it probably will be passed however..the District office will do anything to prevent themselves from taking cuts.. How else with the executives have mansions and convertables?
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So.... What piece of California is this happening in????
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Originally Posted by Simon Cashmere
Weighing into threads with the steel capped boots on just because you disagree with my viewpoints, is just embarrassing.
Originally Posted by Hagar_the_Horrible
As you journey through life take a minute every now and then to give a thought for the other fellow. He could be plotting something.
My town closed down 2 high schools (each teaching about 2,000 students) and build a new one to take all 4,000 students. About half the support staff was laid off, and a few teachers lost their jobs, It cut down on maintenance a lot, heating costs, cooling cost, employee costs, and ironically school lunch costs since they could place larger bulk orders.
It isn't a bad idea, not if thats what they're doing.
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With large layoffs, consolidation may be the only real option. If you are to lose 22 FTE teaching staff, that is a small high school of teachers. California is ground zeero for these problems and this is not the only place, but this could be the worst off at the moment.
My humble suggestion would be for the district to go completely voucher and see what happens. Lease out the buildings to charters and let the religious groups form groups to start up schools. Require a tougher adherance to curricula than the state board and you could see a win win. Well the teacher's unio will lose, but they are already losing.
School board delays layoffs decision
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By TONI SCOTT - Staff Writer Posted: 04/01/2009 10:36:15 PM PDT
OROVILLE -- Although the Oroville Union High School Board of Trustees did not consider the layoffs of classified employees at its Wednesday evening board meeting, the matter will come before the board in the near future.
The agenda item to approve a resolution recommending the layoffs of 8.8 full-time equivalent classified employees was pulled from the board's agenda at the start of the meeting.
Superintendent Oran Roberts said the decision to pull the item came as a request from the board, in an effort to gain further information before deciding on the number of employees to be laid off.
"It is a reasonable request and we are hoping to get some added information on the state budget and the federal stimulus money," Roberts said.
Roberts said the matter will be revisited at the board's May 6 meeting, which will still give the district the opportunity to notify employees 45 days before the June 30 deadline.
Although the board did not decide on layoffs, it did unanimously approve the transfer of more than $500,000 of funding from categorical programs into an unrestricted general fund.
The decision will alleviate the district from strict requirements on how to spend that money, but could potentially threaten programs such as Gifted and Talented Education, arts and music and library improvement-- areas where the money was diverted from.
The district is hoping the move will save jobs, with more than 22 district teachers facing layoffs due to state budget cuts.
In another money-saving effort, the board unanimously agreed that the fact-finding process of combining both comprehensive high schools under one county-district-school code would begin.
Roberts suggested the action be investigated as a possibility of reducing costs to the district in light of rapidly declining enrollment and a state budget that he says he has "no confidence" in.
The process will include research by community members and district staff on a district advisory committee, Roberts said, who will look into the possibility of operating a single comprehensive high school at the two current facilities. He said research will be extensive and will include multiple public discussions before a decision is made.
Although he stated the board's decision simply allows facts to be gathered, he is aware the ultimate decision of combining the schools is one that is controversial, acknowledging that in the early 1990s the option was "not popular."
Still, in unprecedented times, Roberts said at least some consideration should be given to the matter, a move that board member Craig Domeyer said was "courageous."
"Given the severity of the economic crisis I want to at least allow an investigation into whether this is feasible," Roberts said. "It is my responsibility as a superintendent to maintain our quality of education, and I want to be able to explore how to maintain that quality while facing budget cuts."
Extensive discussions are expected and the district will proceed with forming an advisory committee of 7-11 stakeholders as required by the California Department of Education.
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Originally Posted by Simon Cashmere
Weighing into threads with the steel capped boots on just because you disagree with my viewpoints, is just embarrassing.
Originally Posted by Hagar_the_Horrible
As you journey through life take a minute every now and then to give a thought for the other fellow. He could be plotting something.
Well I have new news..The board decided to lay the motion on the table (save it for later)..I don't know if this is good or bad.. How will that help at all?
OK I have heard about merging 2 schools into 1, but four??? this is absolutely ridiculous. your superintendent is either a complete retard or a cornered mouse who has no other option.
OK I have heard about merging 2 schools into 1, but four??? this is absolutely ridiculous. your superintendent is either a complete retard or a cornered mouse who has no other option.
I expand on 1 by saying he is a complete retard as well as a greedy bastard...its mostly so he can keep his 100 grand + salary..
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