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    Chrysler and GM gets 30 days.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/31/bu...o.html?_r=1&hp


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    WASHINGTON — President Obama announced what amounts to a do-or-die ultimatum for the struggling automobile industry on Monday, laying out strict standards that the carmakers must meet to get more government aid and declaring that the industry must survive because it is “like no other, an emblem of the American spirit.”

    A failure of leadership “from Washington to Detroit” over the years has led the industry to the brink of collapse, the president said, and in more recent days both General Motors and Chrysler have failed to come up with plans adequate to justify the billions more in government help that they are requesting.
    “And so today, I am announcing that my administration will offer G.M. and Chrysler a limited period of time to work with creditors, unions and other stakeholders to fundamentally restructure in a way that would justify an investment of additional tax dollars; a period during which they must produce plans that would give the American people confidence in their long-term prospects for success,” the president said at the White House.
    Speaking a day after the White House pushed out the chairman of G.M., Mr. Obama said Chrysler has been instructed to form a partnership with the Italian automaker Fiat within 30 days as conditions for receiving another much-needed round of government aid.
    The president said he was designating Edward Montgomery, a former deputy labor secretary, to oversee the auto-recovery effort. His mission will be far-reaching, to cut through government red tape and identify initiatives to support those communities hit hard by the industry’s troubles.
    Other salient features of the latest plan to pull Detroit out of its decadeslong skid include a tax break, being started by the Internal Revenue Service at once, for auto purchases made between Feb. 16 and the end of 2009; incentives for people to turn in older, less fuel-efficient vehicles and buy more energy-efficient cars and government-backed warrants to assure customers that they have nothing to fear by buying a car from G.M. or Chrysler.
    While the president’s announcement embodies firm government control of the car industry, at least for the time being, he said, “These companies — and this industry — must ultimately stand on their own, not as wards of the state.”
    Mr. Obama said his administration has been working closely with the Canadian government, which was to announce its own “specific commitments” later Monday. Both G.M. and Chrysler have extensive operations north of the border.
    The concept of encouraging people to buy more fuel-efficient cars, which has been tried with considerable success in Europe, will require the cooperation of Congress. Mr. Obama said he would work with lawmakers to identify portions of the recently enacted multibillion-dollar stimulus package that could be trimmed to finance the purchase-incentive idea — and make it effective at once.
    General Motors, in a statement released after the president’s comments, said that over the next 60 days, the company would try to “address the tough issues to improve the long-term viability of the company, including the restructuring of the financial obligations to the bond holders, unions and other stakeholders.”
    “Our strong preference is to complete this restructuring out of court,” G.M. said. “However, G.M. will take whatever steps are necessary to successfully restructure the company, which could include a court-supervised process.”
    The president tried to project optimism as he summoned images of Detroit’s mighty past, even as he spoke of decades of complacency and problems left for another day “even as foreign competitors outpaced us.”
    “Well, we have reached the end of that road,” he said. “And we, as a nation, cannot afford to shirk responsibility any longer.”
    The president did not mention Ford, the other company in Detroit’s Big Three. While it has had problems, Ford has not yet found it necessary to seek government assistance.
    The president envisioned an auto industry much different, almost surely smaller, and more nimble. Yet in doing so, and voicing confidence that the industry can travel that road, he recalled an earlier Detroit that “built an arsenal of democracy that propelled America to victory in the Second World War, and that powered our economic prowess in the first American century.”
    The decision to ask G.M.’s chairman and chief executive, Rick Wagoner, to resign caught Detroit and Washington by surprise, and it underscored the Obama administration’s determination to keep a tight rein on the companies it is bailing out — a level of government involvement in business perhaps not seen since the Great Depression.
    “This is not meant as a condemnation of Mr. Wagoner, who has devoted his life to this company; rather, it’s a recognition that it will take a new vision and new direction to create the G.M. of the future,” Mr. Obama said.
    The president made clear that some form of bankruptcy, or something close to it — a quick, court-supervised restructuring, as officials described it in advance — could still be an option for G.M. or Chrysler or both. “What I am not talking about is a process where a company is broken up, sold off, and no longer exists,” the president said.


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    Mr. Obama’s auto industry task force, in a report released Sunday night assessing the viability of both companies and detailing the administration’s new plans for them, concluded that Chrysler could not survive as a stand-alone company.
    The report said the company would get no more help from the government unless it can finalize a proposed alliance with the Italian automaker Fiat by April 30. It must also reduce its debt and health care obligations.
    If a deal is reached between Chrysler and Fiat, the administration says it would consider another loan of $6 billion to Chrysler.
    G.M., on the other hand, has made considerable progress in developing new energy-efficient cars and could survive if it can cut costs sharply, the task force reported. The administration is giving G.M. 60 days to present a cost-cutting plan and will provide taxpayer assistance to keep it afloat during that time.
    Although some observers of the auto industry have attributed Detroit’s troubles in part to generous wages and health benefits for assembly line workers, the president made no mention of those factors. “The pain being felt in places that rely on our auto industry is not the fault of our workers, who labor tirelessly and desperately want to see their companies succeed,” he said. “And it is not the fault of all the families and communities that supported manufacturing plants throughout the generations.”
    Rather, he said, there has been a failure of leadership.
    Along with Mr. Wagoner’s ouster, the task force said most of the company’s board would be replaced over the next few months. In a statement Monday, Mr. Wagoner said he had been urged to “step aside” by administration officials, “and so I have.”
    His resignation is the latest example of the government taking a hands-on role in making major decisions at companies it is bailing out. The government has already pushed banks to make management changes and sharply reduce or eliminate their dividends, and it also is directing many of the decisions at the troubled insurance giant, American International Group, which is nearly 80 percent owned by the government after its rescue.
    In deciding to urge Mr. Wagoner to step down, the Obama administration seemed mindful of the public’s growing outrage over bailouts of private companies, as well as the bonuses paid to employees of A.I.G.
    Mr. Obama is well aware that he cannot afford to give the appearance of using tax dollars to reward executives who have done a poor job, and he began signaling as early as last week that he would take a tough stance with the automakers.
    The plan Mr. Obama announced on Monday will also include government backing of warranties for G.M. and Chrysler cars and trucks, to give consumers enough confidence to buy them, even if one or both are forced into bankruptcy.
    Mr. Wagoner has presided over a steep drop in G.M.’s domestic market share, which has led to tens of billions of dollars in losses. His critics have said that management’s failure to move aggressively to address the company’s problems contributed to its dire financial situation.
    G.M. and Chrysler have almost exhausted the combined $17.4 billion in federal aid they have received since December. G.M. has asked for up to $16.6 billion more, and Chrysler has requested another $5 billion.
    Bondholders are under pressure to convert two-thirds of the $27 billion owed them into G.M. stock, while the United Auto Workers union is being asked to substitute stock for 50 percent of their health care benefits for retirees. Both groups have resisted those changes.
    Administration officials say they have enough money to offer the assistance they envision under plans already approved by Congress. Even so, Mr. Obama may face skepticism on Capitol Hill and from the public.
    As part of the companies’ original agreement for the loans, both were required to submit restructuring plans. Mr. Wagoner’s removal underscores how much more G.M. needs to cut than was proposed in the plan the company submitted.
    Administration officials stressed that the company needed a fresh approach and leadership changes; they said Steven Rattner, the former investment banker who co-chairs the auto task force, delivered the news to Mr. Wagoner.
    Frederick A. Henderson, G.M.’s president, will succeed Mr. Wagoner on an interim basis as chief executive; Kent Kresa, a board member, will assume the chairmanship. Members of the auto panel spoke with Mr. Henderson recently and came away with a favorable impression of him, people familiar with the panel’s discussions said.
    G.M. collapsed last fall when new-vehicle sales in the United States plummeted to their lowest level in 25 years. G.M. lost more than $30 billion in 2008, and has been subsisting on government loans since the beginning of the year.
    The administration briefed lawmakers on the plan Sunday night. Afterward, Representative Thaddeus G. McCotter, Republican of Michigan, whose district is just outside Detroit, expressed frustration over the ousting of Mr. Wagoner and with administration officials for not being clearer about the potential job losses that lie ahead.
    “Why would you ask Rick Wagoner to resign when you are giving G.M. 60 days to meet a new target, but you aren’t saying what the new goal is yet,” Mr. McCotter said in an interview.

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    wheres the ultimatum to the banks?

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    Well Obama shows reasonable restraint, puts up logical requirements for the companies to reach etc. It's just too bad he decided to do it with companies that actually impact small/med sized businesses (suppliers) and actual workers and showed no such restraint with showering money at everyone else.

    When writing checks for 600 billion here, 1trillion there, another 400 billion there the price for GM and Chrysler seem like peanuts. Bad place, bad time to finally do the right thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danzig View Post
    Well Obama shows reasonable restraint, puts up logical requirements for the companies to reach etc. It's just too bad he decided to do it with companies that actually impact small/med sized businesses (suppliers) and actual workers and showed no such restraint with showering money at everyone else.

    When writing checks for 600 billion here, 1trillion there, another 400 billion there the price for GM and Chrysler seem like peanuts. Bad place, bad time to finally do the right thing.
    Agreed. It's good to show that Obama isn't completely off the deep end though.
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    Default Re: Obama Issues Ultimatum to Carmakers

    wheres the ultimatum to the banks?
    That unfortunately is much too hopeful. I can't think of another sector more carefully cradled by the government.

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    “like no other, an emblem of the American spirit.”
    You know what else used to be? Bankruptcy.
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    You know what else used to be? Bankruptcy.
    I thought it still was?

    I'm glad to hear that Obama is starting to take a tougher stance with the car companies, but I believe he should take this stance with the banks and other related areas.

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    This is good news. What astonishes me is that a lot of the higher-ups in those car companies still do not understand why they are failing...

    today on cnn i listed to the Mayer of some major car town(forgot the name) who said that GM is getting its act together..he pointed out that GM won the motor trend truck of the year award last year

    and i was like


    is it because that they are so deep in that they cant tell if something smells bad? Why cant they understand that BIG trucks and BIG SUV's are NOT the way of the future
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    GM, to their defense, actually did a pretty good job with turning around and producing relatively significant line of fuel-efficient vehicles and hybrids. however, there are a lot of costs that drag GM down, which also includes unbelievable union contracts (such as pensions, etc).

    in my mind, there is no way that American car makers can avoid bankruptcy, sooner or later. so, instead of wasting taxpayer's money on keeping them afloat, the govt should just let them go bankrupt and re-organize itself, get rid of wasteful union obligations, etc. but something tells me that the commie Obama administration will not let it happen. in fact, it will do exactly the opposite, compounding GM's problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerbear View Post
    GM, to their defense, actually did a pretty good job with turning around and producing relatively significant line of fuel-efficient vehicles and hybrids. however, there are a lot of costs that drag GM down, which also includes unbelievable union contracts (such as pensions, etc).
    Where do you see fuel effecient cars from GM?

    When I look at there site

    http://www.gm.com/vehicles/results.j..._browsebybrand

    And go for 30+mpg cars, I get 17 cars, 17 out of a 100+ .

    And 30+MPG thats still quit high first its just highway and in europe most fuel efficient cars do 4-5l per 100km thats 58 to 47 mpg .

    If I look for cars like that I find none. Not 1 car that gets 40mpg even just on highway (european numbers are city/highway mixed)



    Whats the problem:

    When I look at the engine in the cars, the least consuming car I can find is the :
    http://www.gm.com/vehicles/results.j..._browsebybrand

    thats about 30mpg . Its engine is a 138hp, 1.8l engine.
    I cant select any other engine then this gas guzzling unneeded engine.

    In europe on the other hand I can get a

    http://opel.be/nl/Configurator/Astra/Default.aspx

    1.4 or 1.6 gas or 1.3 1.7 or 1.9 diesel engine with mpg ranging from 53 to 35 .

    So no GM doesnt have 1 true fuel efficient car.

    And hybrid and the likes isnt going to change that if yo kep sticking with putting absurdly powerfull engines en cars that dont need them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k995 View Post
    Where do you see fuel effecient cars from GM?

    When I look at there site

    http://www.gm.com/vehicles/results.j..._browsebybrand

    And go for 30+mpg cars, I get 17 cars, 17 out of a 100+ .

    And 30+MPG thats still quit high first its just highway and in europe most fuel efficient cars do 4-5l per 100km thats 58 to 47 mpg .

    If I look for cars like that I find none. Not 1 car that gets 40mpg even just on highway (european numbers are city/highway mixed)



    Whats the problem:

    When I look at the engine in the cars, the least consuming car I can find is the :
    http://www.gm.com/vehicles/results.j..._browsebybrand

    thats about 30mpg . Its engine is a 138hp, 1.8l engine.
    I cant select any other engine then this gas guzzling unneeded engine.

    In europe on the other hand I can get a

    http://opel.be/nl/Configurator/Astra/Default.aspx

    1.4 or 1.6 gas or 1.3 1.7 or 1.9 diesel engine with mpg ranging from 53 to 35 .

    So no GM doesnt have 1 true fuel efficient car.

    And hybrid and the likes isnt going to change that if yo kep sticking with putting absurdly powerfull engines en cars that dont need them.
    They used to have some really good ones back in the late 70s and early 80s. The Chevy sprint was a late 80s model with a 3 cylinder engine that could get nearly 50 mpg.

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    Company's live and die, just like people. If capitalism or sound business practice meant anything this would be understood and GM and etc would be left to die. New company's form in recessions and continue their place, this is natural. Yes, a lot of people will lose their jobs, but throwing money at the problem is not going to solve anything. The multiplying effect does not work when your lifestyle is geared around over consumption and the Ceos are handing out bonuses.

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    To the OP:

    So let me get this straight. Pres. Obama drew a line in the sand with the bailout money given to GM and Chrysler and gave them until March 31 to get their act together.

    9 Bailout Surprises From GM and Chrysler - Rick Newman (usnews.com)

    With the deadline approaching, the administration fires the CEO of GM because he and the UAW cannot play nice with the toys they have to share. Of course, the administration did not ask for the President of the union to resign, only Wagoner. That sends a real message to the automakers on the level playing field doesn't it?

    Obama Tells GM Boss, 'You're Fired' | Autopia from Wired.com

    And now we are to believe that the latest firm line in the sand of another 60 days means what? And what did Wallstreet think of the firm line?

    Stocks fall as automaker plans are rejected

    Yep, all stocks all falling and not just the automakers. The administration is incapable of getting the message. How many more frim lines in the sand propping up the UAW and trying to guarantee zombie corporations that need to go thru court supervised reorganization before all of the capital is destroyed?
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    The most disturbing thing to me is the fact that the Executive Branch of the Federal Government can now fire CEOs of private businesses. Have the American people given up on capitalism completely?

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    If the government's giving you checks, yes they do have that authority. The moment the government started giving handouts to corporations is when capitalism began to rot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    If the government's giving you checks, yes they do have that authority. The moment the government started giving handouts to corporations is when capitalism began to rot.
    I concur, although if find it distasteful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    If the government's giving you checks, yes they do have that authority. The moment the government started giving handouts to corporations is when capitalism began to rot.
    It would only be rotten if the country itself was ulta capitalistic, but USA is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    If the government's giving you checks, yes they do have that authority. The moment the government started giving handouts to corporations is when capitalism began to rot.
    When are we going to start seeing ultimatums on welfare checks then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrnEyedDvl View Post
    When are we going to start seeing ultimatums on welfare checks then?
    Um yeah, that has abosolutey nothing to do with the discussion. Corporate welfare, unlike individual safety nets, are done by contracts. If they breach the contract or cannot come up with the means to settle it, the law is clear that the contract is void and legal action can be taken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    Um yeah, that has abosolutey nothing to do with the discussion.
    I disagree, bailouts are bailouts whether they are because you lost your job, took on a mortgage you couldnt afford, or are handed to corporations. The difference is that over the course of other social aid programs we have spent 50 times the amount Obama is talking about. Pissed it right down the drain, which he is continuing on a massive scale.



    Corporate welfare, unlike individual safety nets, are done by contracts. If they breach the contract or cannot come up with the means to settle it, the law is clear that the contract is void and legal action can be taken.
    Well since the idiots in congress rushed through a 10,000 page document filled with bloat, and the idiot in the White House signed it without even glancing at it, how in the hell can anyone expect things to go smoothly?

    Lets not forget the government also put massive restrictions on what these companies could and couldnt sell, and that relates to their bottom line as well.

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    Wanna take bets in 60 days GM is bailed out under a new plan and White House claims credit for it? I put the odds at 60-40 that government wont let GM enter bankruptcy, Chrysler it might but then they can be saved thru other methods. From a political pov Im sure Obama people are anxious over this, if they let GM go chap 11 it will be "you bailed out bankers but not blue collar!" so I say in 30 days government lets Chrysler fall if its Fiat merger doesnt happen then 30 days after that rescues GM and claims victory for standing up and not bailing an unsustainable company (Chrysler) but helped oversee the massive revamping of GM to save american jobs!
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