A licence to reproduce

[The Longbowman]

Hello everyone,

I'm not sure if this issue has been discussed on here before, so apologies if I'm going over old ground here.

I watched a programme recently about a man who had something like 11 kids, but had not had a job in twenty years, and his entire family were on state benefit. He seemed to have no moral issue with this and was openly admitting to the fact that he wanted to have more children. When I walk round south london (where I live), it seems to me that the wrong people are reproducing on a massive scale, whilst the silent majority subsidise them.

I'm 28, have a steady reasonably paid job and am in a long term relationship, but I have made a conscious decision not to have children because a) I'm not financially sound enough to do it and b) I am not mentally ready for fatherhood. So why do I feel like I'm the one being punished here, in forms of high taxation?

We have to have licences to drive cars. We have to have licences to carry firearms. In the UK we even have a licence to watch TV! And yet, perhaps the most responsible job in the world (e.g. Bringing new beings into the world and raising them) requires no licence and no training! It seems ludicrous to me.

I propose we are all neutered at birth and have to apply for a birth licence when we are ready for parenthood. The application would have nothing to do with race, religion, disability etc... purely ability to be a responsible parent.

Thoughts please.

[bigfootedfred]

I propose we are all neutered at birth and have to apply for a birth licence when we are ready for parenthood.

Are you being sarcastic?

[The Longbowman]

It's a hypothetical proposal, but no I am not being sarcastic.

[Exarch]

i will say this To anyone telling me what to do with my body:
OFF

[Da Skinna]

Way too easy to abuse eugenics like this. Of course when you look around... it makes sense sometimes.

But it's like intellect tests for voting... they were abused to keep blacks disenfranchised.

[The Longbowman]

But it's like intellect tests for voting... they were abused to keep blacks disenfranchised.

This sounds interesting - tell me more, what's this about?

[Da Skinna]

This sounds interesting - tell me more, what's this about?

Well they were literacy tests.

A good idea on paper, to make sure people can understand what they're doing, but manifestly it was too easy to abuse.

[Barry Goldwater]

No. This is a ing ridiculous and tarded idea, and anyone who tries to mess with the root of my manhood will find themselves staring at the business end of a shotgun in a heartbeat.

[GuineaPig]

I propose we are all neutered at birth and have to apply for a birth licence when we are ready for parenthood. The application would have nothing to do with race, religion, disability etc... purely ability to be a responsible parent.

I don't think you know the definition of "neutered". It's not like you can apply for you license at 25, go back to the hospital and they'll say "Here's your balls back... just let them defrost for 3 days before using them."

A marriage or reproductive licence would not only be a terrible idea in terms of demographics, but it'd be a violation of basic human rights. Never should an idea such as this be considered in a Western country.

[Farnan]

Should you also need a license to speak? I know I've seen people say some stupid things, maybe we should take that basic right away too.

[Treize]

Nonsense, BUT if you want to do this you should NOT make exeptions for religiouse people.

Not that this has any use...

[Sphere]

There are powers the government should have, and powers the government shoud not have. This falls into the later category.

[Каие]

You're looking at it backwards. Simply take away the benefits.

[wilpuri]

Eugenics for the win?

Personally, I don't like the idea of some government body deciding who is fit to reproduce.

[TSD]

You're looking at it backwards. Simply take away the benefits.

yeah but then politicians would be out of a job. Any politician willing to fight to get money to layabouts with 10 kids, is going to win his/her bid for public office.

To my knowledge Britain is even worse off in this category than the United States(probably not for long, just wait till Obama gets his re distribution of wealth going). I get fumed, when I see people like the damn "Octo-mom" getting a free ride, and not only that, expecting a free ride, because they were irresponsible. I constantly hear stories like this coming out of Britain, recently wasn't there this fat family that couldn't work because they were too fat, and wanted more money from the government? i remember seeing something about a pakistani family in britain with like 10 kids who were living off the government.

the unfortunate problem is, there will always be people like this, and there will always be politicians willing to get them more benefits.

[Jubal_Barca]

We need to sort the population problem, but this isn't the way to do it. We can encourage people to have less children financially, for example.

[wilpuri]

We need to sort the population problem, but this isn't the way to do it. We can encourage people to have less children financially, for example.

The European "population problem" is that of a shrinking problem. The left screams "No more [european] children! The world has reached breaking point!" and in the next breath they support financing the population boom of the third world. At this point the right takes over, and says "we need the labour, we are not having enought children, bring in the Africans". A nice duo they make, walking hand in hand towards tomorrow, leading a herd of sheep.

[Каие]

Exactly. Someone who hasn't worked for 20 years and hasn't bothered looking for one, can have his benefits removed completely. The child benefit can end after a certain number of kids, say 5, and after a certain age when they can get too and from high school alone, say 13-14.

[Farnan]

Exactly. Someone who hasn't worked for 20 years and hasn't bothered looking for one, can have his benefits removed completely. The child benefit can end after a certain number of kids, say 5, and after a certain age when they can get too and from high school alone, say 13-14.

Remove his benefits and his children. The children didn't choose to get born so they shouldn't suffer.

[Surgeon]

Uh, how about taking away the financial benefits instead? Seriously, neutering people at birth, what the hell??