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    Just read this and...its crazy how this PC society is heading. Would want to know if the same would be true if this had been reversed.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090328/...dorm_stabbings

    AMHERST, Mass. – Biology student Jason Vassell was in his ground-floor University of Massachusetts dorm room hanging out with friends when two drunken strangers tapped on his window, asking for directions. An argument began.

    One of the white men hurled racial slurs at Vassell, who is black, before both took off.

    Vassell then put a black cloth over his face, armed himself with a clothes iron and a folding knife and left his room. Surveillance cameras later show Vassell stabbing both men in the dorm lobby.

    A year later, Vassell awaits trial on two counts of aggravated assault and battery with a dangerous weapon in a case that has galvanized the school community. Hundreds of professors, students and community members continue to rally behind the former student, believing he was the victim of a hate crime and that the two men who set off the chain of events were not held fully accountable.

    "When it's someone you know, when you see their life being ruined, it isn't easy to forget it," said sociology professor Dan Clawson, one of Vassell's supporters.

    Prosecutors acknowledge John Bowes and Jonathan Bosse, on campus to visit friends, were drunk early the morning of Feb. 3, 2008, and that Bowes shouted racial slurs. Bowes was convicted in early March of misdemeanor disorderly conduct but acquitted of a civil rights violation and given a year of probation. Bosse was not charged.

    But prosecutors say Vassell, the 24-year-old son of Jamaican immigrants, could have defused the situation multiple times in the more than 10 minutes between when he first entered the lobby and when he stabbed the two men.

    During the fight in the lobby, prosecutors said Bowes punched Vassell in the upper body to disarm him, then Vassell stabbed him three times. When Bosse tried to help his friend, he was stabbed four times. Both required emergency surgery.

    In court, Assistant District Attorney Elizabeth Dunphy Farris said surveillance camera footage showed Vassell was the aggressor.

    "The privilege to use self-defense arises only in circumstances in which the defendant uses all proper means to avoid physical combat," prosecutors said in a court filing.

    Vassell's attorney, David Hoose, does not deny the student stabbed the men.

    But in a motion to dismiss the charges, Hoose argues prosecutors ultimately made the decision to charge Vassell because he is black and the two men he stabbed are white.

    Hoose said police were hostile toward Vassell from the beginning of the investigation. The attorney claims a police lieutenant said the incident involved a drug deal and Vassell was dealing drugs, even after other officers said the evidence showed no such thing. The motion also describes the same lieutenant as calling Vassell a "donkey."

    The lieutenant has denied his comments were based on Vassell's race. Dunphy Farris has said they were taken out of context.

    Hoose said Bowes and Bosse had a history of fighting and getting into trouble, which he argues prosecutors chose to ignore. Bowes did not return messages left at his home; there was no listing for Bosse.

    Hampshire Superior Court Judge Judd Carhart ruled last month that prosecutors must provide the defense five years of data on racial violence and hate crimes in the county. Prosecutors are appealing the order.

    "You can't look at it as if this didn't begin with overtly racist slurs," Hoose said.

    Instead of graduating in December 2008 as expected, Vassell left school early and now lives two hours away in Boston, where he works for his father's electrical company, said his sister, Tiffany Vassell. Each charge carries a maximum sentence of up to 15 years in prison. If convicted, however, Vassell would likely face a much lighter sentence because he has no criminal record.

    He declined interview requests through his lawyer and sister.

    Justice for Jason, the group that has taken up his cause, recently raised $6,000 for his legal fees. About 100 supporters also demonstrated on his behalf on the anniversary last month of the incident.

    "There had been a hate crime, and the university didn't address it," said Jasmin Torrejon, a 21-year-old student and organizer for Justice for Jason. "It's really the community's passion to see this cause end."

    The university has declined to comment on the case.

    Professors and students have pushed for Vassell to return to UMass, but his sister said he has no interest in coming back.

    Her brother feels the university was "the one place where you should have been safe and someone should have seen the side of your story, and they didn't," she said.
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    But in a motion to dismiss the charges, Hoose argues prosecutors ultimately made the decision to charge Vassell because he is black and the two men he stabbed are white.
    Or, they chose to charge him because he stabbed two guys. I bet I would not be getting this kind of support if I (a white guy) tracked down and stabbed two drunk black guys who called me a cracker or what ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boer View Post
    Or, they chose to charge him because he stabbed two guys. I bet I would not be getting this kind of support if I (a white guy) tracked down and stabbed two drunk black guys who called me a cracker or what ever.
    you sure as hell wouldnt. you would get life for a hate crime. Notice how this guy is instead getting "self defense charges" and not being charged with a hate crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boer View Post
    Or, they chose to charge him because he stabbed two guys. I bet I would not be getting this kind of support if I (a white guy) tracked down and stabbed two drunk black guys who called me a cracker or what ever.
    Good job on not knowing what cracker means.

    Calling someone a slave-driver is inherently different then calling someone worse than savage, subhuman.

    Hell will freeze over before I weep for white "suffering".

    The real idiots in this story are the cops who tried to slam a drug charge on him without cause. They threw the case away, and a man who might deserve prison will get off because of it.

    That said if anyone calls you a you should beat them up, legal or not.

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    Stab him back, pussies.
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    I don't support racism and I sure as hell hate the guys who insulted him, but charging of self defense because he had a motive?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunecat View Post
    Good job on not knowing what cracker means.

    Calling someone a slave-driver is inherently different then calling someone worse than savage, subhuman.

    Hell will freeze over before I weep for white "suffering".

    The real idiots in this story are the cops who tried to slam a drug charge on him without cause. They threw the case away, and a man who might deserve prison will get off because of it.

    That said if anyone calls you a you should beat them up, legal or not.
    Nobody is complaining about "white suffering", just the ridiculous double standard.
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    Default Re: Stabbing justified response to racial name calling say college students & faculty

    Quote Originally Posted by Boer
    Or, they chose to charge him because he stabbed two guys. I bet I would not be getting this kind of support if I (a white guy) tracked down and stabbed two drunk black guys who called me a cracker or what ever.
    Exactly.

    Plus drunk guys aren't exactly in the best state of mind

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunecat View Post
    Good job on not knowing what cracker means.

    Calling someone a slave-driver is inherently different then calling someone worse than savage, subhuman.

    Hell will freeze over before I weep for white "suffering".

    The real idiots in this story are the cops who tried to slam a drug charge on him without cause. They threw the case away, and a man who might deserve prison will get off because of it.

    That said if anyone calls you a you should beat them up, legal or not.
    no im sorry the real idiot here is the guy who STABBED 2 people because they called him names.

    seriously this guy needs to grow the up. OMG SOMEONE USED A RACIAL SLUR AGAINST ME THE PAIN!!!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunecat View Post
    Good job on not knowing what cracker means.

    Calling someone a slave-driver is inherently different then calling someone worse than savage, subhuman.
    So thats what it means.

    Personally, I think a beatdown would have been justified, but not a stabbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caduet View Post
    So thats what it means.

    Personally, I think a beatdown would have been justified, but not a stabbing.
    Agreed. If he punched them in the face, I'd be fine with it. But a stabbing for calling someone a name? Please. He deserves some time.
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    Seriously what the , has the human mind degenerated into mush?

    The person who did the stabbing is being supported and instead the people who did the taunting should be jailed and the attempted murderer set free?

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    Wow he didn't need to go that far, a simple fist fight woulda done the trick but stabbing was waaay outta hand. Or he shoulda just thought about it and realized its just stupid words that dont really describe him and went on with his life.

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    Wow. The irony of the person who stabbed people because they insulted him complaining that university wasn't safe (from what, getting yelled at by drunks?). If someone yells slurs at you, yell slurs back or ignore it. And if you really need to fight them for it, use fists. You're an idiot if you want to kill a drunk person for using slurs on them.

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    they were retards for the racial slurs, but what Vassell did is in no way justified.
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    But of course it's completely reasonable to hunt down and stab a couple of drunk people AFTER they insult you and LEAVE without physically harming you.

    That said if anyone calls you a you should beat them up, legal or not.
    Yeah because that really helps to lower racial tension and create a friendly relationship, it's just a ****ing word let it go already. The word is not going away and people aren't going to stop using it, furthermore resorting to violence over it is never going to get the Black community anywhere.

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    What would they do if an Asian guy does it?
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    This is depressing, but I'm not surprised somehow. Hopefully someone wakes up and gives this guy a real jail term for attempted murder x 2.

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    *Applause* well done Vassell! Very well done! (sarcasm)

    If he could go all the way to stab them, couldn't he have just taken a picture of them and then reported them to the police? That would have been smart.

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    As I've said countless times, PC is not a means to promote minorities to equal Whites in society, but as a means to repress Whites and promote Minorities over them. Why are you all so blind?

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