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    just like it "apparently" did for ww2?
    The United States is the largest borrower in the world. The US national debt has already exceeded the level of 11 trillion dollars as of the beginning of 2009 and continues to grow like an avalanche. Experts say that the USA has only two ways to solve the problem: to either declare default or trigger off a war.


    According to experts’ estimates, the probability of default on US treasury bonds is very high at the moment. The rumors are not new at all. Moreover, experts say that the USA has already started to work on an opportunity to refuse from the dollar in order to avoid debt payments.
    Dmitry Abzalov, an expert with the Center for Russia ’s Political Conjuncture, said that governments currently take on the debts of corporations. “The corporate debts crisis thus becomes the crisis of governmental debts. The US debt in the beginning of 2009 amounted to $10.6 trillion. Taking into consideration the current deficit budget of the United States, as well as the prospects for the deficit of the budget during the current year, it becomes clear that the US Treasury bond market is based on no alternative whatsoever. There is no other way for investors to invest their funds with treasury bonds being the only option,” the expert told Bigness.ru.
    When the world economy recovers, investors will realize that there are plenty of other opportunities for investments, the European bonds, for example (if the European economy recovers from the crisis too, of course), or the bonds of developing countries.
    “The pyramid of US bonds will collapse in this case. The debt percentage grows every day, which makes the USA borrow more and more on a daily basis. America will have no chances to pay off the debt,” the expert said.
    Inga Foksha, an analyst with Aton Investment Company, agrees that the US default is quite possible, although she is certain that it will not happen unless the world finds an alternative to the US dollar. The dollar will collapse immediately in case of default, which is absolutely unacceptable, because 63 percent of world reserves are saved in dollars. Their collapse will trigger the global economic collapse.
    “Technically, the default of the United States may occur during three or five years, although it is too early to say that it could be possible. The USA can print new dollars to pay their debts with them,” she said.
    Nevertheless, the US government bonds still enjoy investors’ support and are still considered a risk-free investment.
    Dmitry Abzalov believes that the current situation with the US national debt may end with a new war. The war will destroy excessive liquidity and the current debt.
    “The war in Iraq began to delay the US crisis, which started brewing in the US economy at the end of 2000,” he said.
    The Americans have been trying to raise their economy with the help of military actions for decades, since the Great Depression of the 1930s. A war boosts the nation’s industry, even if a recovery is based on defense orders.
    source: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=12844
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    just like it "apparently" did for ww2?
    I don't know, is the two wars we're fighting now saving the economy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    I don't know, is the two wars we're fighting now saving the economy?
    in response to some ppl who think that ww2 saved the US economy post depression; well applying it to a modern context, would a similar war 'save' the economy by artifically creatign jobs, controlling wages and raising employment? the stuff military industrial complexes dream of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    just like it "apparently" did for ww2?
    We're already fighting (and losing) a war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    We're already fighting (and losing) a war.
    dont u ever read Caelius' threads?
    we're winning the war on terror

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    dont u ever read Caelius' threads?
    we're winning the war on terror
    I've grown tired of mocking chickenhawks a long time ago. To my ideology, if your not trying to or are currently serving in the armed forces, your feeble cries of taking up arms against other nations should be viewed with extreme prejudice and self-interest. Like Dick Cheney and George bush.

    Who've both never been in a real war, fyi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephyrus View Post
    I've grown tired of mocking chickenhawks a long time ago. To my ideology, if your not trying to or are currently serving in the armed forces, your feeble cries of taking up arms against other nations should be viewed with extreme prejudice and self-interest. Like Dick Cheney and George bush.

    Who've both never been in a real war, fyi.
    How so ? The war on terror, and many of our recent wars are just politically motivated, thats why most people dont wanna join, why fight for corrupt politicans ? but if you took up arms in an invasion, at least your protecting something you believe in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin N View Post
    How so ? The war on terror, and many of our recent wars are just politically motivated, thats why most people dont wanna join, why fight for corrupt politicans ? but if you took up arms in an invasion, at least your protecting something you believe in.
    Self-defense, of course.

    So why did we take the eye off the ball in Iraq, and not focus on Afghanistan?
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    Military-industry success isn't exactly a good boost for the economy, it was a spur of private investment that had first began building up in the tensions before the war and the acceleration at its outbreak.
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    We're losing the war in Afghanistan. Caelius only ever posts positive things because he has an axe to grind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    We're losing the war in Afghanistan. Caelius only ever posts positive things because he has an axe to grind.
    and you are the reason we can be seen losing it. We aren't losing battles, the numeric k/d ration between the sides is ridiculously lopsided in coalition favor. The only front we can possibly lose on is the war of wills, and people like you have no will, and desire failure. The taliban fighters could never drive the coalition out of afghanistan, we would only leave of our own accord based on a bunch of hippies back home.

    they cannot beat our army, end of story. The American people beat themselves because we can no longer suffer taking casualties, albeit ridiculously low casualties in comparrison to any other major conflict in US history. I can only imagine if during WW2, the media practically made a TV movie out of the life of every single soldier that dies, Hitler or no Hitler, I am sure there would have been alot more voices against the war than there were, if they could watch it daily on live tv, like now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSD View Post
    and you are the reason we can be seen losing it. We aren't losing battles, the numeric k/d ration between the sides is ridiculously lopsided in coalition favor. The only front we can possibly lose on is the war of wills, and people like you have no will, and desire failure. The taliban fighters could never drive the coalition out of afghanistan, we would only leave of our own accord based on a bunch of hippies back home.

    they cannot beat our army, end of story. The American people beat themselves because we can no longer suffer taking casualties, albeit ridiculously low casualties in comparrison to any other major conflict in US history. I can only imagine if during WW2, the media practically made a TV movie out of the life of every single soldier that dies, Hitler or no Hitler, I am sure there would have been alot more voices against the war than there were, if they could watch it daily on live tv, like now.
    The Taliban don't need to beat your army. They just need to keep fighting until eventually due to political promises, the US will leave... "I'll bring US troops back home!" "No I will!" "No I will..." etc. The war is used as political leverage and as such Obama is already making plans to withdraw. Not because of "hippies" at all...

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    Hmmm.

    Wars mean breaking stuff into pieces. Breaking humans into pieces is also a part of it. Some of ours gets broken as well as some of theirs.

    Economic growth means making more stuff (goods and services) to be consumed. Fully employing those wanting to work in useful and productive work to make the stuff.

    Nope. A war does not fix anything in our economy. Sorry. Epic fail for a thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    Would a War Save the Economy? - Just like it "apparently" did for ww2?
    No, it won't because after a war the war time economy shrinks and the regular economy needs time for growth. The gap between the two states creates a negative balance with inflation or deflation and lots of unemployed people. Kids across Europe hungered after WW2.
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    North Korea plz




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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    just like it "apparently" did for ww2?
    No.

    and uhh, yea, not sure how it saved much of Europe's. U can tell it didnt because of the events that occured after, the position countries like Britain are in today etc etc. Only economy that continued to improve was America's throughout the war.

    and we're not living in an era of total war anymore either. So mass mobilisation of industry (and thus stimulus of economy) doesnt exist in most countries these days. Thus, No.

    war only helps economies if it allows the victor to exploit the gap that has been left by the loser in the immediate aftermath (again, ala USA.) - so sure guys, u americans feel free to invade china or something.. we'll be the ones picking up the pieces afterwards and regaining all that we lost from 2 world wars. US has it all already, it only has stuff to lose.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    We're losing the war in Afghanistan. Caelius only ever posts positive things because he has an axe to grind.
    or perhaps he just likes to point out good pieces of news to balance out the crap load of (not always justified) negatives that is spammed about on these forums?
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    Default Re: Would a War Save the Economy?

    It probably would save the economy, but which one NATO wants to fight?? Obviously this opponent must be big and strong enough to hold for two to three years, and that left only China and Russia as potential enemy.

    Unless some alien force jumps out from space there is no one can withstand the mind of NATO too long...

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    Spamming positives hardly makes what you post valuable.

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