I cannot believe this economic MESS!

[hellas1]

Hey all,

I hope you ALL have jobs and are doing financially well, first and foremost.

Now.......
I'm VERY disgusted at this current state of affairs in the U.S. economy.

I mean, Corporations have outsourced a GREAT many things to "Chindia" and in the U.S. the only available jobs are for people with Great smarts (i.e. engineers of all sorts) or people who enjoy blood and guts (i.e. the medical field).

I really don't know what people and families will do if a working member is let go of.

I understand all too well what corporations are trying to do, as I have a B.A. in Business Admin and a A.S. in computer tech. but it seems to me that EVERYTHING is a business, in the mechanical, cold and hyper competitive sense of the word.

How do you see it?
hellas1

[Scar Face]

I see this as an opportunity to shift our economy and society away from going to school for the first 30 years of their life, to get a minimum wage job and having no children until fifty, and all the stagnant Government heavy handed crap thats been indicative of modern society. I see this as, while a harsh one, an opportunity for drastic reform.

[removeduser_052420]

I see this as an opportunity to shift our economy and society away from going to school for the first 30 years of their life, to get a minimum wage job and having no children until fifty, and all the stagnant Government heavy handed crap thats been indicative of modern society. I see this as, while a harsh one, an opportunity for drastic reform.

And what would that "drastic reform" be? kicking out all immigrants?

[Scar Face]

And what would that "drastic reform" be? kicking out all immigrants?

Economy based on production, Government based on Libertarianism/Conservative values, halt on immigration, uptake of religion and native growth rates, getting rid of multiculturalism, etc.

[Alkarin]

Economy based on production, Government based on Libertarianism/Conservative values, halt on immigration, uptake of religion and native growth rates, getting rid of multiculturalism, etc.

rid of the evil jews who caused this economic mess eh? sorry if this sounds rude but your statement sounds very fascist to me


Although i personally also see this as a moment for a more radical reform also.(not saying its going to happen but it honestly could)Although in my opinion a far left shift to possibly to something like a Democratic Socialist State.

[Scar Face]

rid of the evil jews who caused this economic mess eh? sorry if this sounds rude but your statement sounds very fascist to me


Although i personally also see this as a moment for a more radical reform also.(not saying its going to happen but it honestly could)Although in my opinion a far left shift to possibly to something like a Democratic Socialist State.

Uhh...you realize I suppose Israel, and that "no Multiculturalism" was a policy of the entire West up until, like, a couple decades ago? So unless you think the entire West was a bunch of Fascists, your logic doesn't hold up.

Ya, except Libertarianism is as idealistic as hardcore Communism. And just as effective.

I swear, Libertarians will be the bane of our society...

Yeah...I like how that can be said coming from a person who has not lived, nor knows anyone who has lived, in a Libertarian society. As for other failed models- stateism, communism, fascism, Socialism, we know these have failed, in the past and in the modern world. Libertarianism never failed, it was simply abandoned.

People always act like economic crises are THE FIRST AND ONLY AND MOST SEVERE CRISIS EVAR!!! The arrogance disgusts me. Economies are like the 4 seasons, they're cyclical. Why is it freaking everyone out that times are bad? The only people who should be freaking out are those who are at or around retirement age and losing everything... If you're under 50, you really need to chillax. If you get laid off at 30 the heavens aren't crumbling; you'll find something else, prosperity will come again, etc. Even the Great Depression only lasted around a decade, and that was an unusually long and painful downturn.

So chill the hell out and get to work.

With increased Globalization comes increased suspectability to vicious downturns. As in, when things go wrong in a Globalized world, they go much more wrong, than a less globalized world. The U.S is in a much worse position entering this depression economically and socially. Add on the instabilities of global trade, other countries etc, and yes this is far worse than the Great depression could have ever hoped to be. Prosperity will return again, but in the mean time people will die.

[The spartan]

Economy based on production, Government based on Libertarianism/Conservative values, halt on immigration, uptake of religion and native growth rates, getting rid of multiculturalism, etc.

Ya, except Libertarianism is as idealistic as hardcore Communism. And just as effective.

I swear, Libertarians will be the bane of our society...

[Pontifex Maximus]

Moved to the academy.

[JustShoveJayOhBe]

People always act like economic crises are THE FIRST AND ONLY AND MOST SEVERE CRISIS EVAR!!! The arrogance disgusts me. Economies are like the 4 seasons, they're cyclical. Why is it freaking everyone out that times are bad? The only people who should be freaking out are those who are at or around retirement age and losing everything... If you're under 50, you really need to chillax. If you get laid off at 30 the heavens aren't crumbling; you'll find something else, prosperity will come again, etc. Even the Great Depression only lasted around a decade, and that was an unusually long and painful downturn.

So chill the hell out and get to work.

[Yosemite]

People always act like economic crises are THE FIRST AND ONLY AND MOST SEVERE CRISIS EVAR!!! The arrogance disgusts me. Economies are like the 4 seasons, they're cyclical. Why is it freaking everyone out that times are bad? The only people who should be freaking out are those who are at or around retirement age and losing everything... If you're under 50, you really need to chillax. If you get laid off at 30 the heavens aren't crumbling; you'll find something else, prosperity will come again, etc. Even the Great Depression only lasted around a decade, and that was an unusually long and painful downturn.

So chill the hell out and get to work.

in france more and more people make much less money than before, they sometimes can't even afford enough food for the months for their whole families

[Viking Prince]

Another thread in the senseless but continuous rant about outsourcing jobs.

Again --

I live in Colorado, USA. I buy a widget made by a Chicago, USA based firm. By all definitions of outsourcing -- the purchased item was outsourced from the retailer based in Minnesota (Target) from an importer headquartered in Los Angelos from a manufacturer headquartered in Chicago, USA from an exporter in Vietnam using raw materials from who knows where.

Since I live in Colorado, all but the tiny bit of the transaction related to the physical store was outsourced relative to Colorado. Now my employment is fairly specialized so my purchase was an outsourcing also. I could have dug up the minerals, refined them, engineered the product, the production process, etc. but I choose to outsource it and pay with plastic holding digits from the ether.

My work is the result of others out sourcing and using my services. What difference does it make whether my payment for my services comes from a Colorado citizen, an Illinois citizen, or from a citizen in China? None. The same goes for my purchases.

Outsourcing is just a fancy term used to identify that which is not done in house. Where it is done does not matter to the company. Quality matters. Price matters.

[Scar Face]

Another thread in the senseless but continuous rant about outsourcing jobs.

Again --

I live in Colorado, USA. I buy a widget made by a Chicago, USA based firm. By all definitions of outsourcing -- the purchased item was outsourced from the retailer based in Minnesota (Target) from an importer headquartered in Los Angelos from a manufacturer headquartered in Chicago, USA from an exporter in Vietnam using raw materials from who knows where.

Since I live in Colorado, all but the tiny bit of the transaction related to the physical store was outsourced relative to Colorado. Now my employment is fairly specialized so my purchase was an outsourcing also. I could have dug up the minerals, refined them, engineered the product, the production process, etc. but I choose to outsource it and pay with plastic holding digits from the ether.

My work is the result of others out sourcing and using my services. What difference does it make whether my payment for my services comes from a Colorado citizen, an Illinois citizen, or from a citizen in China? None. The same goes for my purchases.

Outsourcing is just a fancy term used to identify that which is not done in house. Where it is done does not matter to the company. Quality matters. Price matters.

Yeah, and when you outsource so much production based jobs that, after a few decades of this you realize your economy is based on service and "specialization" it does become a problem. Because you then realize you have no real economy, and it collapses. Very similar to what we have now. In fact it is exactly what we have now.

[Viking Prince]

Yeah, and when you outsource so much production based jobs that, after a few decades of this you realize your economy is based on service and "specialization" it does become a problem. Because you then realize you have no real economy, and it collapses. Very similar to what we have now. In fact it is exactly what we have now.

Maybe you missed my point. Maybe I was not clear.

Everything not performed by you is an outsourcing. Buy a diner, you have outsourced. By a pen and writing paper, you have outsourced. It matters not who made it or where you bought it from.

This whole discussion is really a tissue for people too embarassed to admit that they are mercantilists. That economic system failed in earlier centuries. Why pursue any system that ignores comparative advantage? Comparative advantage is the whole purpose of specialization and increased output which is better for all of us.

[bushbush]

Yeah, and when you outsource so much production based jobs that, after a few decades of this you realize your economy is based on service and "specialization" it does become a problem. Because you then realize you have no real economy, and it collapses. Very similar to what we have now. In fact it is exactly what we have now.

no idea what you are talking about. High percentage of service industry in one's economy is always a sign of being a highly developed country. You can check that out if you want.

[Roths]

I saw on news that unemployment in U.S. is like 10.1% now.

[Lee1026]

Yeah, and when you outsource so much production based jobs that, after a few decades of this you realize your economy is based on service and "specialization" it does become a problem. Because you then realize you have no real economy, and it collapses. Very similar to what we have now. In fact it is exactly what we have now.

What? All jobs are inherently services - the act of making a car is very much a service.