"The Will of God" - Error?

[Sardaukar One]

I'm playing as the WRE.
Along with the starting provinves, I added Sicily and Sardinia, then Salona and Carthage.
My military is relatively modest.
A full stack army in Carthage under Ricimer. A half stack army at Salona, two moblie armies to protect the north plus the usual garrison troops.
I built a six ship navy to bash the Vandals. Then added another same sized fleet for the adriatic and for southern Italy etc. Plus a few two ship fleets for transport from Rome to Sicily/Sardinia, Ravenna to Salona and a two ship fleet at Arelates.
None of these fleets are particularly big, in part because I haven't seen anyone with a fleet that requires I enlarge mine any more.

Anyway, I hit end turn, and in my family announcements I see that five of my admirals have all just suddenly died. The will of God is given as the reason.
Three of these admirals have a couple of stars next to them.
All of them are 30 or under.
Worse, I have lost upto 75% of my ship strength in all my fleets.
For example, a Quinquireme that had 100 soldiers, now has 28 soldiers.
A Trireme that had 80 soldiers, now has 23 soldiers and a bireme with 40 soldiers now has 12 soldiers.
Every single fleet, even if its admiral did not die, has lost 75% of its men.
This is ridiculous!
Surely this is an error?
Can I fix it?
This really makes me want to pack this otherwise good mod up!

Help or suggestions anyone?

[helmersen]

Have faith in God that he will not do this again. Pray a lot, give your enemies regions back, and you'll be fine.

[Riothamus]

I'm playing as the WRE.
Along with the starting provinves, I added Sicily and Sardinia, then Salona and Carthage.
My military is relatively modest.
A full stack army in Carthage under Ricimer. A half stack army at Salona, two moblie armies to protect the north plus the usual garrison troops.
I built a six ship navy to bash the Vandals. Then added another same sized fleet for the adriatic and for southern Italy etc. Plus a few two ship fleets for transport from Rome to Sicily/Sardinia, Ravenna to Salona and a two ship fleet at Arelates.
None of these fleets are particularly big, in part because I haven't seen anyone with a fleet that requires I enlarge mine any more.

Anyway, I hit end turn, and in my family announcements I see that five of my admirals have all just suddenly died. The will of God is given as the reason.
Three of these admirals have a couple of stars next to them.
All of them are 30 or under.
Worse, I have lost upto 75% of my ship strength in all my fleets.
For example, a Quinquireme that had 100 soldiers, now has 28 soldiers.
A Trireme that had 80 soldiers, now has 23 soldiers and a bireme with 40 soldiers now has 12 soldiers.
Every single fleet, even if its admiral did not die, has lost 75% of its men.
This is ridiculous!
Surely this is an error?
Can I fix it?
This really makes me want to pack this otherwise good mod up!

Help or suggestions anyone?

Are you playing the Expansion Sardaukar One?

This is a weird one to say the least

Not sure how to respond to this..Did you somehow anger the Gods?? Maybe you are cursed
They shouldn't just die before age 30. A bad storm at sea? That could wipe them out.. Were all the ships docked?
-Did you save the game and the same thing happened?

-Was there a script error...did the date jump years ahead?

[Sardaukar One]

I'm playing the expansion.
No script error.

Its just like when you hit end turn, the family announcements window pops up letting you know if family members get married, die, have kids etc, etc.

Anywhere between three to five of my admirals die. And my fleets are decimated regardless of if the admiral died.
Its not a storm, because my fleets are all over the map. All but one of my fleets is docked.
I have one fleet that is dropping of spies and diplomats to england. Another is based at Arelate. Another at Rome. One at Tarentum and the last at Ravenna.
My fleets are very spread out. So its not a storm.

I decided to just play through it.
And guess what?
It happened again!

I also got the title of "Comes rerum Privaturum" pop again.
One of my family members has two of this same title in his ancillaries.

I have the save game if that will help?

[Riothamus]

I decided to just play through it.
And guess what?
It happened again!

I also got the title of "Comes rerum Privaturum" pop again.
One of my family members has two of this same title in his ancillaries.

I have the save game if that will help?

Yes Sardaukar One, please pm the saved game

There are two Comes Comes rerum privatarum in the game. One for the ERE and the WRE...They need to be distinguished by the East or West

[Sardaukar One]

This is the save game right before this "event" started to happen.

I don't have a save game for the next turn.

[Sardaukar One]

Save game number 2. This is about six to eight turns after save game 1.
This is the turn right before the "Will of God" event strikes again.

All my fleets except for one fleet are at full strength and in port.
The one fleet not in a port is in the english channel, in the middle of transporting spies and a diplomat to Britain. This fleet is seriously understrength.
I put some spies and soldiers onto my other fleets to see what would happen to them.

Also note a vandal fleet under an Admiral Sigimer off the north African coast right by the city of Saldae. It has 8 men/ships left in this fleet.

[Sardaukar One]

Save game 3 is the turn right after save game 2.

Please note that my already understrength fleet in the english channel has now suffered even more losses.

Also, the Vandal fleet in north Africa under Admiral Sigimer, which can now be located by the city of Chullu, has also been reduced by 50% to just 4 ships.
Apparently this effects everyone's ships.

Some of the admirals have been killed, including the one at Tarentum who was a two star admiral in save game 2.

In addition, some of the spies on board my fleets from save game 2 have been killed. The military units I put on the fleets did not suffer any losses.

What on earth is going on? This is a really ludicrous thing to have happen in the game.

Thanks for any help!

The "Comes rerum Privaturum" office has been awarded twice to one of my family members(Tacitus) residing at Ravenna.

[Riothamus]

This is the save game right before this "event" started to happen.

I don't have a save game for the next turn.

You have a great campaign going You seem to be doing very well economically and you have a strong armiey....gotta ask u did you alter anything? Add money? Anyway if anything was altered in anyway this might cause such problems but I'm not sure if it would as such. Otherwise I'm lost to know why they die like that I'll continue to look at the rest of the saves.

[margio]

Hi Sardaukar One,
I loaded all three saves and even enlisted for each a trireme everywhere available. After end turn all ships got casualties all three times ...
I cannot understand why it happens!
I have also played several turns of my Ostrogoths Campaign, enlisting ships everywhere possible, and nothing happened...
I will go deeply on that ...
BTW my compliments for your Empire

ayeaye Sir

[Sardaukar One]

Sorry about the length of the post.
But I was having a very enjoyable campaign(though not anywhere as hard as I had hoped for) and I felt the need to put it all out there.

Also, whats the deal with getting the same ancillary title twice for my family member at Ravenna?

Perhaps I should do a fresh install?

[Riothamus]

Sorry about the length of the post.
But I was having a very enjoyable campaign(though not anywhere as hard as I had hoped for) and I felt the need to put it all out there.

Also, whats the deal with getting the same ancillary title twice for my family member at Ravenna?

Perhaps I should do a fresh install?

I agree with your changes and would like to add them. Making the family members to generals can unfortunately ctd the game if they are not somehow in the family tree. It can cause the clone general. A double literally lol. Interesting ideas though am willing to incorporate and listen to any other ideas you have Also your game will get very tough. other factions are getting strong around you from what I saw and you will have your hands very full What difficulty level are you playing on ?

The two ancillaries you got..Did I answerer that with this a few posts ago?

''There are two Comes Comes rerum privatarum in the game. One for the ERE and the WRE...They need to be distinguished by the East or West''

[Sardaukar One]

I'm not sure what you mean by agreeing to my changes?
They are preferences really.

I'm playing on VH/VH. I can't remember the last time I played on a different level.

I understand that the WRE and ERE will have the same titles. But neither faction should have a title that duplicates itself. Which is whats happened in my current campaign.
If you take a look at the family members in Ravenna, I have one family member, Tacitus(last name) that has two ancillary titles that are exactly the same.
This is the title "Comes rerum privatarum ". Tacitus has two of this title in his ancillaries.
You also seem to be missing a couple of triggers for the titles associated with Gaul, Africa and Maurentia. And maybe a couple of others.

What building corresponds to the Villa Jovia?
I ask because this is a building requirement for a bulk of the ancillary office titles.
And whats the prefect_farmadar? For the prefect of Italy title!
Also, shouldn't a family member have to be in Illyria to get the Illyrian office title for instance? Or in Gaul for the Gallic office title?

As for making family members generals and this causing CTDs.
I'm not actually getting CTDs.
I've had a fleet from the get go. So I do find it a bit strange that some 20 game years after the campaign has started, why am I now seeing my fleet decimated every 6-8 turns?
Why didn't this happen from the beginning?
Still, I would concede that their would seem to be some relation between the two actions.

What about if I deleted the children of the family members(not on the family tree) and made their wives too old to have kids?
Would that cause problems?

What about a fresh install?

As far as the campaign goes, unless the ERE comes after me, I'm not that worried.
Due to me giving cash to factions to help boost their forces, I've got a chinese fire drill going on in spain. The Ostrogoths should have the Slavs to worry about.
And the Franks ain't going to do diddly on their own.
I liked getting to fight the Franks with a Burgundi army backing me up.
Not that I needed them.

Thanks for any info!

[Riothamus]

Hi Sardaukar One

I'm not sure what you mean by agreeing to my changes?
They are preferences really.

I'm playing on VH/VH. I can't remember the last time I played on a different level.

Thanks for any info!

Not sure how to put it in any better English but boosting triggers for ancillaries, ''Mainly doctors. Perhaps a treasurer and librarian and making Watchtowers very expensive.'' sounds to me a very good idea.

I'm playing on VH/VH. I can't remember the last time I played on a different level.

I understand that the WRE and ERE will have the same titles. But neither faction should have a title that duplicates itself. Which is whats happened in my current campaign.

-Its great that your doing well on VH/VH..One thing about the mod once you think you may have things pretty much under your thumb all st will break loose lol

A faction's family member can have both titles both it needs to be clarified in the name if its east or west..needs to be corrected in that sense.

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You also seem to be missing a couple of triggers for the titles associated with Gaul, Africa and Maurentia. And maybe a couple of others.

Looking into this..notice some issues there

What building corresponds to the Villa Jovia?
I ask because this is a building requirement for a bulk of the ancillary office titles.
And whats the prefect_farmadar? For the prefect of Italy title!
Also, shouldn't a family member have to be in Illyria to get the Illyrian office title for instance?

-Villa Jovia corresponds to the Mercenary fortress.. Its also for the recruiting of foederati troops
-prefect_farmadar is the head of beuracracy...there are 4 and one is in Italy
-I would think so that the family member would have to be in that province to get the ancillary but it always doesn't seem that way.

A fresh install might help. Perplexing to me how that(fleet issue) has happened though.

[Sardaukar One]

I get you now.
My little additions basically go for every mod I have ever played.
Just preferences really!

Some more questions.

1) You stated earlier that making family members generals could cause problems.
What if I kept the current family members not on the family tree, but removed their children and made their wives too old to have kids?
In your opinion, would that cause problems?
I actually should have done this in the first place. But oh well!

2.a) The naval problem is very familiar to storm damage. To me anyway.
Its happening to the AI as well as my fleets after all.
Whatever the file is that handles earthquakes, floods etc; could that be running amok?
2.b) Isn't it a little bit odd that you and Margio both loaded my save games, then had this same thing happen with the game set differently to mine?
The reason I saved the turn before this event happened and the turn after was so that you guys could see the effects as opposed to actually witnessing it yourself.
I didn't think it would be replicated on your pc's to be honest.

3)What do you recommend I do? I'm not going to continue my current campaign. My fleets are getting whacked left right and center every six turns or so now.
Should I do a fresh install? Or should I just put the family members back?
Keep em but make adjustments suggested in question 1?
What do you guys recommend?

4) I thought the Villa Jovia was the Villa Rustica etc.
I've been wondering why I wasn't getting any of the office titles at Ravenna!
The prefect_farmadar building can only be built at Ravenna and Salona in my current "empire" if I'm reading you right?
Constantinople and Alexandria would be the others presumably?
Antioch possibly instead of Alex?!

5) I'm not sure that you are understanding me on this one.
One of my family members has the title "Comes rerum privatarum " twice in his retinue. I think I passed it onto another family member actually in the same game you have..
But he got this title a couple of turns after he got the title the first time.
I understand that the ERE will have this title for their family members also.
But should the game be duplicating this title within the same faction, in this case, the WRE?
If so, thats fine, but right now that seems rather peculiar to me.
If you could let me know, I would appreciate it.

6) Which of the factions are intended to come out on top in their respective areas?
Vandals in Africa, the Visigoths in Spain seem to be the most obvious choices.
Without my help, the Suebi have little or no chance.
Taking Carthage seems to have been the only thing that has saved the Berbers from an arse kicking.
The Franks presumably take out northern Europe and Gaul too?
The Saxons seem to much for the others in Britain.
Burgundi and the Langobardi presumably can be put into the section titled screwed at birth? Along with the Suebi and that one Roman briton faction stuck in the middle of england.

Thanks!

[Sardaukar One]

"There should not be a descr_disasters file here:
Total War\rio\data\world\maps\campaign\barbarian_invasion\descr_disasters"

And I have a descr_disasters file right here.
I'll delete it.


As for the TGA file, all my fleets were in port except for the one I had in the Atlantic and in the british channel/north sea.
Would those dots show up at sea representing a disaster at sea if your fleets were in port?
Anyway, I thought it might have helped.

[Riothamus]

"There should not be a descr_disasters file here:
Total War\rio\data\world\maps\campaign\barbarian_invasion\descr_disasters"

And I have a descr_disasters file right here.
I'll delete it.


As for the TGA file, all my fleets were in port except for the one I had in the Atlantic and in the british channel/north sea.
Would those dots show up at sea representing a disaster at sea if your fleets were in port?
Anyway, I thought it might have helped.

Yes delete it..

I would think the dots would show up in the ports for its still considered a sea tile but cant say for sure.

[Sardaukar One]

I thought that fleets that were docked did not suffer storm damage!
If thats the case, then there is a good case to be made that the dots would not appear in the ports.

How many people maintain fleets in their campaigns?
I'm wondering if its just me this has happened to or will it be others?

Do the Visigoths, Vandals, Ostrogoths etc horde?
What other factions horde?

Thanks for your help Rio!

[Riothamus]

I thought that fleets that were docked did not suffer storm damage!
If thats the case, then there is a good case to be made that the dots would not appear in the ports.

How many people maintain fleets in their campaigns?
I'm wondering if its just me this has happened to or will it be others?

Do the Visigoths, Vandals, Ostrogoths etc horde?
What other factions horde?

Thanks for your help Rio!

Any time my friend

hording factions:
Anglo/Saxons
Langobardi
Slavs
Ostrogoths
Burgundii