Huuuge economic problem.

[Tombl]

Well, I've been playing a roman campaign for quite long now. For so far I've managed my economy easily but now recession has hit me, corruption is huge and I start to feel the army upkeep. Every turn settlements grow, and I need to upgrade them so I cannot build other buildings anymore, at the end of every turn I'm broke. And the next turn I start with some money again to upgrade my settlement levels, but this is getting less every turn also.

Screenie:



Paphos, Corduba and Thessalonica rebelled the last few turns. I'm just waiting them out now.

But does anyone have some tips for me to recover fully?

Btw, Asia Minor is totally mine, I'm waithing the pontics out. And in Egypt my situation is very well, within the next 5 turn all of the african part of the ptolemies will be mine.

[ISA Gunner]

That army upkeep is HUGE and so is the corruption.

Honestly, i think you'd better go around to every settlement and micromanage them all, removing all the bad Generals/Governors in the process. Put them on boats and then fight pirates that outnumber you. Or fight hopeless battles. AlsoSet taxes as high as possible.

I've also noticed that having large armies in cities drains your treasury far more than if they were on the field, marching to war. So the best thing would be to quickly conquer all of Africa and sack every last settlement for a money fix.

Then hopefully you will start making a bit more money.

[Wolfshead]

Wow, I can't remember that I ever had money problems while playing as Romans, but it is indeed your huge army. Well that is the Roman style, ain't it

[cherryfunk]

Now you know how the Emperors felt!

Frankly I'm glad to see it's possible to go bankrupt '

Reduce your army, or raise taxes!

[Maximus_96]

i recomend that you sack the cities when you take them. since they are large or huge eastern cities they should bring in 20000-35000 each and that should help your economy.
also in italy and places that you have held for awhile that are happy, remove all the soldies then put the minimum amount in and disband the rest, that should help with the upkeep

[Aristotle's Folly]

Interesting screenie. What are the purple legions? And why are your general's units larger than mine?

Your empire huge. I've played to 530 AUC and mine is nowhere near as large as yours.

[Maximus_96]

the purple units are veterans from before the reforms, you get them by building an estate like building in your cities. the reason his generals have more people in them is probably because they are important family members, unless you are not playing with huge unit settings.

[rory o'kane]

the purple units are veterans from before the reforms, you get them by building an estate like building in your cities. the reason his generals have more people in them is probably because they are important family members, unless you are not playing with huge unit settings.

they aren't "veterans from before the reforms" - they're just veterans of the legions, that have retired from active service, but are serving their 5 years in the Evocati.

[Arnspac]

Sometimes lowering number of units helps ( ie dumping ones you do not need )
Any trade building at all will help.
At worst, trash settlement (s ) you do not want, recovering all the money you can and split.

errrrr.....how did you get so far so fast ?

[rory o'kane]

ah, right. i'd forgotten that!

[Brusilov]

With RS1.5 you can recruit governors and leave them in the settlements for a while to gain decent traits / retinues and then send them out to govern. In order to get the good governors you need to have built the academies and right temples.

Post a save game - we don't really know the state of your empire from the financial overview.

[Tombl]

I cannot post a save game, because I have no map "saves".. Seriously, they are nowhere to find. I tried everything but I just can't find them.

Btw, I'm so far in such a short time because I use blitz invasions. I am not going to conquer places where romans have never been. I play as historical as possible. When I have conquered all of the historical expansion, then I will conquer the lands around Babylon and Dacia, maybe after that, I will conquer Africa

I will remove my governors everywhere, make huuge amounts of them in athens, Rome, Carthago Nova, Carthage, and Massila and maybe I can leave them for a while right there and move them around the empire after that. I cannot reduce my armies in some cities because of the public order. I can't affort to let them all rebel yet.

Btw, this is my first campaign that I came so far of conquering all my goals. I never really come far because I like small empires with alot of micromanaging and building a empire.

This probably sounds nooby but this campaign is M/M because I wanted to conquer the world now without too many problems. Well, I don't understand that my economy now crashed on M/M and it never did on H/H :S

[dvk901]

....................Btw, I'm so far in such a short time because I use blitz invasions..................... :S

There's your answer right there. RS1.5 and RS2 will not be favorable to 'blitzing'. The economy and the ability to keep your empire happy are based on building, building, and building.
If you don't build the economic base to support an empire...it will collapse.

[Aristedes]

What I would do is disband all 'idle' soldiers/legions, and conquer Northren Africa and sack those cities.

[pseudocaesar]

Disband every soldier thats not needed, often times you have large garrisons left over from ages ago when it was freshly annexed. Just go through the settlements that arent on borders, and gut the ones with high public order.

Oh sidenote...Never...EVER..put taxes on anything but High. Very High taxes are causing your corruption (greedy buggers being corrupt and stealing for themselves) while normal and low cause bad money management traits.

[Tombl]

The one says that I need them to be on very high, the other says that they need to be on high. I've always had them as high as possible, so that's wrong?

[Brusilov]

I tend to keep taxes as high as possible - the corruption never appears to be that much of a problem (at least that I am aware of). I tend to train up governors in my settlement that has the academies and then after a period send them out to govern.

As you expand you may take over some settlements that have the right buildings as well. Usually places like Athens.

Money is never a real problem in my campaigns as I try and keep garrisons as small as possible (decent governors help).

[Tombl]

I've started a new campaign on H/H. As usual my economy is booming in the start so i started to intervere in other politics. I used bribing and force diplomacy to give Epeirus; Byzantium, Sparta, Delphi, Nicomedia

I will also buy or force narbo martius and massila to Carthage so I can do a 2nd punic war as realisticly as possible. But this time, I will stop them right in the alps

Now see what will happen there

[Ketchup]

This time go a bit slower and build up your economy before expanding too much. What I tend to do is to ready "invasion stacks" (a group of maybe 5 legions) and then inavde 3 or 4 territiories at a time. Then I calm down (try and get a ceasefire if possible - if not then just defend) and spend 20 or so turns just building up the infrastructure buildings in those territories. I find it works well. Especially with Gallic/Iberian settlemtns that are often woefully underdeveloped.

[Wolfshead]

I'm not sure about the governors, so you are supposed to train them and when they have experience you send them out of the settlement? That seems somewhat strange..