Combining Units

[nicotine]

After I fight battles I try to combine my units together to keep individual unit numbers high but the game seems to object to this as a lot of the time I drag the smaller unit over the desired unit I want to combine it with and it does nothing.

Anyone else having this problem? Or has something changed that I don't know about.

[Theseus1234]

you have to keep trying a few times
it does that to mean occasionally, especially when there's two sizable units merging
just do it twice and it'll eventually accept it
i think that holding th eunit card over the other unit card for a while before releasing the mouse button helps a bit too

[Mahatma Gandhi]

I dont even try anymore, cause more times then not my game will crash on me. Which is why I'm here posting infact. It HAS worked for me before, but its really a Russian roulette move for me on whether I stay in/out of game.

[niidel]

I dont even try anymore, cause more times then not my game will crash on me. Which is why I'm here posting infact. It HAS worked for me before, but its really a Russian roulette move for me on whether I stay in/out of game.

Same here. Seems to crash often when merging units.

Does anyone know if the "you can't merge your fleets because the admirals refuse to submit to another"-thing is still there? I've had some problems merging fleets (or then it was just the normal merge bug, because it crashed when I tried to merge the fleets again )

[J. Fishman]

The game will not let you merge a full unit with a damaged unit, only damaged units with other damaged units of the same type.

[Faris ad Din]

The game will not let you merge a full unit with a damaged unit, only damaged units with other damaged units of the same type.

Actually you can only merge more/equal experienced units to lesser ones not the other way around.

Which one is the case? I brought up some 1 and 0 chevron full-strength units from nearby to replenish my 2- and 3-chevron partial-strength units. This is driving me batty. In previous Total War games you can recombine units of the same type at will. This is what we should have and I see no reason whatsoever for any such restrictions. Why why why?

[upsettingshorts]

I dont see a significant enough penalty from reinforcing to justify merging units. Ie, they don't lose too much experience. So I'd rather just go with slightly undermanned units until they are reinforced.

[Earende]

It works, most of the time. Drag and merge, if it doesn't happen - drag and wait (Say, until the addition detail appears.) and it'll merge or drag, merge then close the panel and open it again. There are some units that will simply refuse to merge no matter what, I guess it's bugged.

[Darkpriest667]

It works, most of the time. Drag and merge, if it doesn't happen - drag and wait (Say, until the addition detail appears.) and it'll merge or drag, merge then close the panel and open it again. There are some units that will simply refuse to merge no matter what, I guess it's bugged.

a bug? no way.. this game was thoroughly tested .. 3000 hours worth of playtesting before release.. there are no bugs in this game..

[pefwin]

I've found that I can only merge units of similar exprience points [chevrons]. No problems in these cases.

Otherwise I have had units refuse to merge and on my lower spec macine cause CTDs.

[Pink Beard]

I've found that I can only merge units of similar exprience points [chevrons]. No problems in these cases.

Otherwise I have had units refuse to merge and on my lower spec macine cause CTDs.

Yes but still... Why would CA instead of giving a bleep sound (Notifying that you can't merge the units) kick you out of the game if you are trying to merge units with different experience levels?

Wow. this game is veterans-only!
I mean, the game goes like:

WRONG AGAIN, IDIOT

CTD

[Handyheath]

Dont think its bugged you just have to be consistent. Like the other guy said, just hover the mouse for a second before you let go and it always works for me. I only combine after taking cities though to leave the undermanned units as temporary garrisons.

[Ondaderthad]

I found it works better to merge units from the right to the left and make the pointer exactly in the center of the unit until it highlights (brighter white background)
I also only merge units with the same experience chevrons. Mostly to make room for new reenforcement full units.

[Ebusitanus]

I have tried it twice, both times my game crashed. With the reinforcment system now I do not miss it nor will I try it again for some patches.

[Pink Beard]

I get regular crashes when trying to merge units. I simply don't merge them anymore, just shift-select all units and click "restore" (or equilavent) and make them full numbers

[Hungary Horace]

It woked for me the first few times but last two times it crashed. It worked when I did it with Line infantry but crahed when I tried it with Cannons.Shouldn't make a difference if you ask me though.Surprise surprise another bug!!They will probably fix this one first though as easy and not really needed and leave the AI naval invaisons till later - just you wait.

[Ebusitanus]

Just now playing with the new patch installed I got a CTD due to troop merging. The issue has not been resolved apparently.

[JFC]

Actually you can only merge more/equal experienced units to lesser ones not the other way around.

[mir24]

Was gonna reply to Faris' question but he beat me to it himself. I discovered this last night and was wondering what the hey? Now it's all clear - strange but clear.

Actually you can only merge more/equal experienced units to lesser ones not the other way around.

WRONG.

The game will not let you merge a full unit with a damaged unit, only damaged units with other damaged units of the same type.

CORRECT.


Incidentally, does anyone know how many reinforcements a unit can receive before having its experience reduced?

I know that for a unit with a full-strength of 160 men with casualties less than 12 men, there will be no decrease in chevrons but what about reinforcing 20, 30, 40, 50 men?

[the_mango55]

I do think there is a bug somewhere, I've noticed sometimes you can merge units easily, sometimes they won't do it.

I dont see a significant enough penalty from reinforcing to justify merging units. Ie, they don't lose too much experience. So I'd rather just go with slightly undermanned units until they are reinforced.

Normally this is fine. But sometimes I want to reduce the overall size of a no-longer needed invasion force, I want to just consolidate some of my units (which is free and instant) rather than replace some and disband others (which costs money and takes 2 turns). Or if I want to replace some line infantry with guards.

Incidentally, does anyone know how many reinforcements a unit can receive before having its experience reduced?

I know that for a unit with a full-strength of 160 men with casualties less than 12 men, there will be no decrease in chevrons but what about reinforcing 20, 30, 40, 50 men?

Probably a formula revolving around some kind of "experience point" system. Each unit getting a certain number of experience points for getting kills. The experience needed to level up isn't linear (ex. 100 kills for level 1, 200 kills for level 2, 300 for level 3, etc) but rather exponential (100 for level 1, 200 for level 2, 400 for level 3, etc). And of course experience points to level is dependent on the number of troops.

So when you lose half of your men, even though you lose half of your xp and replace it with 0 xp troops, you won't lose half of your levels. For example (made up levels), you have 200 line infantry at level 4, level 4 requires 800 xp for 200 men, and your troops have 1000 total. In a certain battle they kept in reserve and not used, but are hit by a percussion shot that kills 1/2 of them.

They now have 500 xp, but are still level 4 because level is dependent on number of troops. You then replenish them with 100 green, 0xp troops. Now the unit has 200 men and 500 xp, thus they drop to level 3, which requires 400 xp.

Similarly, if you lose a small number of men and reinforce, you might still have enough extra XP to not lose a level when gaining fresh men, but it will take you longer to reach the next level.