is light the foundation of existence?

**Amorphos** · March 25, 2009, 02:48 PM

just a quick question; is light the foundation of existence?

i am asking this because a chap i have been debating with, seams to think that light is the fundamental nature of existence. he also associates that light with the biblical meaning. i would hate for it to be true so can some one say why it is wrong? ~ in a way the layman can understand it please.

here is my answer to 3 pages of text, i hope its not to confusing, here i am assuming that light is just one part of the em spectrum, then i go on to say...

>there is a proposed higgs boson particle that is presumed to be the heaviest and origin of all later particles, but it is thought that they only existed at the beginning of expansion. i don’t see how it all comes down to light though? there may be a universal origin ~ probably must be, but light is but an aspect of it.

here is the answer i got...

>What does E=mc2 mean?

It is possible that a single unit of mass is simply a spectrum of em set in time.

To bust open u-235, two different structures are left with a whole bunch of light.

funny that basic common sense and simple understanding reveals what has been described over millinium. that light thing is nothing new, but having the math and the years of combining the representation is that foundation to a paradigm shift.

or if you like your theology; the revealing

all based on the nuts and bolt of light!

At least no magic is involved.

seems the ‘utility of mind’ was used maintaining a clear consciousness within absolute truth.

>this later part i think is inferring that light has intellectual properties and is the meat of creation - so to say.

so is light the foundation of existence?

**Chaigidel** · March 25, 2009, 02:53 PM

yeah without mass you go the speed of light, I dont know about foundation of existence, but any particle not attached to the "net" of mass the higz boson net-- goes the speed of light.

**Amorphos** · March 25, 2009, 02:57 PM

thats interesting chiagidel, i think the guy is saying that everything comes from light i.e. that light is the ultimate nature of existence kinda. so mass would also emanate from it in some way. its an interesting idea if true, i always thought energy was just energy untill it had form then its was em, strong nuclear and weak nuclear forces etc.

**Chaigidel** · March 25, 2009, 07:25 PM

well during the big bang all the forces were united into a superforce, as the universe expanded the forces "peeled" off from one another, and its theorized that as they became independent forces , light matter and energy as we know it began to manifest, now if the higz-boson net is proven to be true this will likely mean we are on a 2 dimensional singularity like the surface of a very flat bubble, and all that we know to exist is bended loops attached to this fabric by way of the mass of the various particles , there are a host of other particles likely associated with other universal membranes, and they (other universes) could be passing by us at the speed of light, since they are not affected by our local higz boson net( this doesnt mean we could see them because the speed of light and light itself are not the same thing, light is just a near wieghtless photon quark packet which transfers bits of energy ( i think

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now thats largely speculation on my part just putting together what I know of the subject.

**Amorphos** · March 25, 2009, 07:38 PM

thanks chiagidel. i guess we don’t know if to begin with there was light. most likely not as you say.

personally i don’t believe we will find something purely material, it will be a big cuddly warm aether thingy

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don’t believe there are other universes [infinite dimension can only be one etc], and one day i will be proved right.

**Chaigidel** · March 25, 2009, 07:44 PM

well its not infinite dimensions per se; its sheets of energy around which different particles collect -- imagine it as a ship under water which collects barnacles, but these things can only cling to sheets that reflect the laws which "trap" the wave form particles

this is the idea of the 11 dimensional space around which you have 10 dimensional and lower objects existing in sheets determined by higz-boson nets; not to say every net would catch the same stuff, our particular universe allows this matierial to exist only under this law, the other "sheets" or "membranes" would be as varied as life on earth each one would be completely unique, and entirely its own place-- some would not be anything but stray energy like lightning , just a line of collection along which particles gather because of the action of the net within the 11th dimension.

obviously when you are getting on that level things get a bit mind mushing; but light definitely carries the foundations of our universe as in quarks, otherwise we could not interact with them, if you can see it, it likely has some part of it within you, because of the nature of matter and energy within our universe, we are all inherently tied together.

this is why the higsboson is such an important thing to prove or disprove
because this entire model of the universe would be false if there was no " higz boson net"

**Amorphos** · March 25, 2009, 08:22 PM

interesting post

because this entire model of the universe would be false if there was no “ higz boson net”

intuitively i think they will find something more or something else.

in simple terms my objection to multiverses is: infinity, then X, then ‘0, then 1,2,3...’ or any given sequence.

a multiverse would require; infinity, then x and another x or, then 0, and another 0. this could be any amount of x’s or 0’s giving us our multiverses. however i don’t see how we can go any kind of duel model or expression/sequence.

we have to start at the start right? [even if the start is multiple and across all-time] then after that we can have as many sequences as we wish for.

there can only be one reality so whatever it is made up of eventually derives from a singular source.

**Chaigidel** · March 25, 2009, 08:33 PM

and to that I agree and even with the "multiverse" model the universe remains a single 11 dimensional entity or object; all other dimensional states contained within its folds, our particular universe is a structure of 10 dimensions.

and any varied universe would be varied on key levels, like what actually becomes matter and energy-- in our net it is the stuff of recognizable matter and energy, but the states could be entirely different if you used more exotic particles as a basis for your reality.

pretty unimaginable I mean, trying to imagine a universe with a different basic law.

but on the OP i would actually say now that the things involved in light are defintely the foundation of this universe, but seeing light is just a side effect of these basic things moving about.

**Amorphos** · March 26, 2009, 03:36 PM

hmm the whole multiverse is problematic, even if we do have only one universe, it would have many incarnations over time. so in all-time there would be many?

i just don’t get the all-time thing, i don’t believe there are zillions of versions of e.g. our sun through time [one for each moment like stills to a movie]. i would still go with 1 sun moving through time, i think someone has their calculations wrong. maybe light bends around objects because it is like a circuit and will move around things to form that circuit, just as electricity can jump gaps in a circuit. this would mean that space is not curved.

bit OT though.

i guess i better think this one through a bit more.

thanks for your help

**Simetrical** · March 26, 2009, 04:17 PM