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    Passed by the House of Representatives with a 321-105 margin, HR 1388: the Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act, dubbed the “GIVE” act, would require the US government to develop a plan to implement a “mandatory service requirement for all able young people”.

    Already males ages 18 through 25 living in the U.S. register with Selective Service to keep records in the event Congress and the President authorize a draft. What is the purpose of the service requirement under the GIVE act?

    The purpose of the GIVE act is to “To reauthorize and reform the national service laws”, specifically the National and Community Service Act of 1990. HR 1388 reads:

    ‘(9) recognize and increase the impact of social entrepreneurs and other nonprofit community organizations in addressing national and local challenges;

    ‘(10) increase public and private investment in nonprofit community organizations that are effectively addressing national and local challenges and to encourage such organizations to replicate and expand successful initiatives;

    ‘(11) leverage Federal investments to increase State, local, business, and philanthropic resources to address national and local challenges;

    ‘(12) expand and strengthen service-learning programs through year-round opportunities, including during the summer months, to improve the education of children and youth and to maximize the benefits of national and community service, in order to renew the ethic of civic responsibility and the spirit of community to children and youth throughout the United States;

    ‘(13) assist in coordinating and strengthening Federal and other service opportunities, including opportunities for participation in emergency and disaster preparedness, relief, and recovery;

    ‘(14) increase service opportunities for our Nation’s retiring professionals, including such opportunities for those retiring from the science, technical, engineering, and mathematics professions to improve the education of our Nation’s youth and keep America competitive in the global knowledge economy, and to further utilize the experience, knowledge, and skills of older Americans;

    ‘(15) encourage the continued service of the alumni of the national service programs, including service in times of national need;

    ‘(16) support institutions of higher education that engage students in community service activities, provide service-learning courses, and encourage or assist graduates to pursue careers in public service in the nonprofit or government sector; and

    ‘(17) encourage members of the Baby Boom generation to partake in service opportunities.’.

    HR 1388 specifically targets Volunteers in Service to America (VISTA) and the National Civilian Community Corps (NCCC) which Congress expects will reach 250,000 participants by 2014. From school-based service learning programs to focusing on severely economically depressed communities, the GIVE act sounds good until you get to part about the mandatory service requirement for youth. How can volunteerism be mandatory? The Future explains:

    Section 6104 of The Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act requires that a commission be established to investigate, “Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.”

    Of course I imagine cadres of youth working on environmental projects such as tree planting; however, I can’t get on board with the involuntary servitude. It’s even scarier when you consider Obama’s chief of staff Rahm Emanuel coauthored The Plan: Big Ideas for America that calls for compulsory service for Americans ages 18 to 25:

    Here’s how it would work. Young people will know that between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five, the nation will enlist them for three months of civilian service. They’ll be asked to report for three months of basic civil defense training in their state or community, where they will learn what to do in the event of biochemical, nuclear or conventional attack; how to assist others in an evacuation; how to respond when a levee breaks or we’re hit by a natural disaster. These young people will be available to address their communities’ most pressing needs.

    In fact, Obama and Biden ran on the idea of required community service for our youth:

    Obama and Biden will set a goal that all middle and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year, and will establish a new tax credit that is worth $4,000 a year in exchange for 100 hours of public service a year.

    I like the idea of a tax credit for public service, but I do not like the idea of mandatory service for our youth. Mandatory requirements do not ensure our youth will develop a sense of lifelong community service, and many churches and high schools already have such requirements for youth.

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    Doesn't seem like a bad idea. Unfortunately I'm going to be eligible for it

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    Have fun with your slavery Americans. You asked for "change" and big government, and heres what you get. Perhaps you should begin fleeing to Canada right about now, to escape all this mad Liberalism?

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    California would warmly welcome those fleeing from the Midwest

    but god forbid...statistics show that even in the red states the liberal youth outnumber the conservative youth....ah the end times are nigh indeed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjun View Post
    California would warmly welcome those fleeing from the Midwest

    but god forbid...statistics show that even in the red states the liberal youth outnumber the conservative youth....ah the end times are nigh indeed

    The youth are always more liberal. To be young and not be Liberal is to be without a heart, to be old and not be conservative is to be without a brain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevins View Post
    The youth are always more liberal. To be young and not be Liberal is to be without a heart, to be old and not be conservative is to be without a brain.
    Exactly. Liberals are naive and idealistic, thats youth right there. Besides, the economy is going down down down down, however the political demographic is in next year is irrelevant, because it's all going to change. In the mean time however, America has to suffer the abuse of an increasingly authoritarian and generally inept leadership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevins View Post
    The youth are always more liberal. To be young and not be Liberal is to be without a heart, to be old and not be conservative is to be without a brain.

    Even in the "REAL PARTS OF AMERICA?" maybe the majority of liberal youth there must have been illegal immigrants or those from the unreal parts of america

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    i guess the Bush gov was a liberal one then. They sure were an EPIC Fail



    Quote Originally Posted by Chaigidel View Post
    please please please take up arms, please .

    my respect for liberals has gone through the roof because of this, for all the bush put us through, and for all the laws he stompped you never saw a goddamn liberal screaming revolution, you never saw one of them talking about ing taking up arms against countrymen in the name of attacking a duly elected government. because they lost an election, they behaved like citizens, like patriots-=- you people are behaving like a disgrace, and you should be ashamed.
    well said


    During the last 8 years; If someone was a moderate; he was automatically shifting towards liberalism; thanks to the august example of conservatism by the "patriotic" government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjun View Post

    but god forbid...statistics show that even in the red states the liberal youth outnumber the conservative youth....ah the end times are nigh indeed
    It is always the case that liberal youth outnumber conservative youths. That's because most young people are stupid. As a person gets smarter they become more conservative, if they don't get smarter they stay liberals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacifist Hummingbird View Post
    It is always the case that liberal youth outnumber conservative youths. That's because most young people are stupid. As a person gets smarter they become more conservative, if they don't get smarter they stay liberals.
    Are most academics liberal or conservative?...this question is merely of academic value of course
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjun View Post
    Are most academics liberal or conservative?...this question is merely of academic value of course
    Liberal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjun View Post
    Are most academics liberal or conservative?...this question is merely of academic value of course
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scar Face View Post
    Have fun with your slavery Americans. You asked for "change" and big government, and heres what you get. Perhaps you should begin fleeing to Canada right about now, to escape all this mad Liberalism?
    Do we have a problem here comrade? TOOO THE RE-EDUCATION CAMP WITH YOU!!!

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    that piece of legislation. I'll sooner be prosecuted than have my children subject to socialist like that. Good that we are an armed populace; we cant fight back when the time comes.






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    Quote Originally Posted by deRougemont View Post
    that piece of legislation. I'll sooner be prosecuted than have my children subject to socialist like that. Good that we are an armed populace; we cant fight back when the time comes.
    HELPING THE COMMUNITY?!? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


    get over it.

    And its not like this was forced upon the people out of nowhere. you voted for these representatives and those representatives VOTED on this act and it was passed by the people of the American Republic. Its not like Obama barged in claiming this without a vote being held. If america voted for it stop saying its slavery..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkarin View Post
    HELPING THE COMMUNITY?!? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


    get over it.

    And its not like this was forced upon the people out of nowhere. you voted for these representatives and those representatives VOTED on this act and it was passed by the people of the American Republic. Its not like Obama barged in claiming this without a vote being held. If america voted for it stop saying its slavery..
    maybe you don't understand how a representative democracy works. We vote people into office in the hopes that they will represent their constituency. We get pissed when they lie to us, and do the exact opposite of what they said they were going to do. Just because we voted for them doesn't mean we voted or gave them the right to do whatever the hell they wanted, they are still OUR servants, not the other way around.

    And yes, mandating service is slavery. This nation was built on morals that you out of the goodness of your heart should volunteer and donate to charities. When you force people to serve the community, then it defeats the whole purpose. We are not serfs, we are not here to serve at the whim of the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scheuch13 View Post
    maybe you don't understand how a representative democracy works. We vote people into office in the hopes that they will represent their constituency. We get pissed when they lie to us, and do the exact opposite of what they said they were going to do. Just because we voted for them doesn't mean we voted or gave them the right to do whatever the hell they wanted, they are still OUR servants, not the other way around.

    And yes, mandating service is slavery. This nation was built on morals that you out of the goodness of your heart should volunteer and donate to charities. When you force people to serve the community, then it defeats the whole purpose. We are not serfs, we are not here to serve at the whim of the government.
    1. why even have a representative republic if it happens so frequently?

    2.If they are your servants doesn't that make them your slaves?

    3.Well id say since the amount of charity service/volunteers in america is laughable they obviously don't care enough about their nation to serve it.
    You look great today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkarin View Post
    1. why even have a representative republic if it happens so frequently?
    because its the best form of govt so far.


    Quote Originally Posted by Alkarin View Post
    2.If they are your servants doesn't that make them your slaves?
    No because the willing are given power to do our bidding, not fulfill their own agendas. As the police say "to serve and protect", they are as commonly called in the USA, "public servants".

    Quote Originally Posted by Alkarin View Post
    3.Well id say since the amount of charity service/volunteers in america is laughable they obviously don't care enough about their nation to serve it.
    oh really? I'd say the amount of charity in the US tops the world considering that we are the world leaders in private charity donations.


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    Mandatory, hm? I wonder how much longer it will take until we start putting our foot down on this madness and pursue our foes with both fire and rope.
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    Have you all forgotten all this bill does is require the government to investigate this? It does not authorize the creation of such a service.

    I disagree with it too, but no reason to freak out.

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    Also scheuch, why did you not link the story in your post?

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