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    Default The Ammo shortage

    These are some of the theories so far on why this is happening

    1) civilian ammo manufacturers have cut production

    2) DOD surplus regulations have changed so that fired brass is no longer sold as surplus

    3) increased demand over the election of Obama

    4) increased demand over fear that crime will increase if the economy gets worse

    5) increased demand over preparation of a coming civil upheaval

    6) Law enforcement, private security, and offical paramilitary agencies have increased substantially over the last several years so that demand for ammo for training has increased.

    7) US army demand for ammo for the ongoing wars. However this one is debunked because the US is known to have dedicated ammunition manufacturers such as Lake City to meet their requirments.

    My own theory

    Covertly the Obama administration is purchasing loads of commercial ammo so civilians will not be able to stock up. This can be legitimized as a measure to give preference to law enforcement and paramilitary first. This is being done until an effective ammunition act can be passed to regulate and restrict the sales of ammunition.

    Any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valiant Champion View Post
    Covertly the Obama administration is purchasing loads of commercial ammo so civilians will not be able to stock up. This can be legitimized as a measure to give preference to law enforcement and paramilitary first. This is being done until an effective ammunition act can be passed to regulate and restrict the sales of ammunition.
    How do you covertly buy up ammunition and if it's the government, why would you have to use the "civilian market" for it?

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    I went to a gun show outside tampa a few weeks ago and the line was over a mile or so long to get in. I've never seen a crowd at a gun show like that and they were all aimed at the ammo booths. My thoughts? I have no fricken idea as to why.

    if it's the government, why would you have to use the "civilian market" for it?
    still supply and demand, what you think they can magically ignore their costs when ammo is produced for the government?
    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP226 View Post
    I went to a gun show outside tampa a few weeks ago and the line was over a mile or so long to get in. I've never seen a crowd at a gun show like that and they were all aimed at the ammo booths. My thoughts? I have no fricken idea as to why.



    still supply and demand, what you think they can magically ignore their costs when ammo is produced for the government?
    That's because they know what is coming!-Obama's masters wants the US disarmed before the implosion.The "real" Americans will NOT give up their guns,they know only slaves are not aloud to own guns.This WILL get ugly.Guns are the only thing the between "real" freedom & tyranny. -The new world is just the old world with new faces & tv.

    Lets have a look at Obama on guns.............

    Barack Obama’s gun control policy, or should I write anti-gun record is long and informative:

    * 1994 to 2001 - Obama was on the board of the anti-gun Joyce Foundation. This foundation is the largest funding source for radical anti-gun groups in the country.
    * 1996 - Obama supported a ban on the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.
    * 1999 - Obama proposed a 500 percent increase in the excise taxes on firearms and ammunition. This tax would effectively punish gun owners for buying guns and ammunition.
    * 2003 - Obama voted in support of legislation that would have banned privately owned hunting shotguns, target rifles and black powder rifles in Illinois.
    * 2004 - Obama voted against legislation intended to protect homeowners from prosecution in cases where they used a firearm to halt a home invasion.



    Based on his voting record in the Illinois state senate and in the U.S. Senate, President-elect Barack Obama will be the most anti-Second Amendment president in the history of America.
    That Obama will sign any anti-gun bill that gets to his desk is a certainty. But what can gun owners expect from the new Congress? His party’s large gains in the Congress give the incoming President more room to maneuver with a radical agenda.


    And this classic....


    Legal gun owners not aloud in Obama's White House team?

    Susan Jones
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    November 14, 2008

    (CNSNews.com) – President-elect Barack Obama’s transition team is showing its hostility toward lawful firearm owners by “weeding out” job applicants who own firearms themselves, a Second Amendment group says.

    The Illinois State Rifle Association (ISRA) notes that question 59 – part of a 63-item questionnaire given to Obama administration job applicants – asks for information about firearms owned by the applicant and his or her family.

    Found in the questionnaire’s “Miscellaneous” section, question 59 reads, “Do you or any members of your immediate family own a gun? If so, provide complete ownership and registration information. Has the registration ever lapsed? Please also describe how and by whom it is used and whether it has been the cause of any personal injuries or property damage.”

    Other questions in the Miscellaneous section ask about the applicant’s postings on Facebook and MySpace Web sites; health and medical status; associations with groups that could be used against the applicant; and any other information that could prove embarrassing to the applicant.

    Although it’s not clear that gun ownership would disqualify a job applicant, ISRA says question 59 shows the Obama team’s “distaste” for firearm owners.

    "Question 59 provides clear insight into how Obama and his people perceive firearm owners," said ISRA Executive Director Richard Pearson. “The questionnaire poses a number of questions asking the applicant to reveal any unethical activities, or embarrassing Internet chats, then wraps up by asking if anyone in the applicant's family owns a firearm. Obviously, Obama feels that owning a firearm is akin to talking dirty in Internet chat rooms.”

    Pearson says the attitude is not surprising, given that Obama – as an Illinois State senator -- voted for SB1195, which included a provision calling for gun owners to be registered in the same manner as sex offenders.

    "Once again, we have to ask ourselves just what candidate Obama was talking about when he said he has 'respect' for the 2nd Amendment," said Pearson.

    ISRA, which describes itself as an advocate of safe, lawful and responsible firearms ownership, has posted a copy of the questionnaire on its Web site.

    The National Rifle Association also noted the anti-Second Amendment implications of the Obama's team's employment questionnaire:

    "[A]s this litmus test shows, they have every intention of putting together an administration that is hostile to firearms ownership and to Second Amendment rights," said NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre.

    "One of their first official acts is to make a list of gun owners among their own employees. It proves where their hearts are. It shows what their philosophy is. This is more proof that this administration is coming after our freedom and NRA stands ready."

    At least one Republican took offense at the Obama team's decision to question job applicants about gun ownership.

    “I am deeply disturbed that President-elect Obama is asking job applicants whether they or members of their family own guns. Millions of law-abiding Americans own firearms and they should not be discriminated against.,” Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) said on Friday.

    “The questionnaire already seeks information about illegal activity so there is no reason to ask this question unless the Obama Administration plans to use it to discriminate based on lawful activity. For this reason, I will seek to enact legislation to prohibit this type of discrimination,” DeMint added.
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    supply and demand simple as that-- the political right is full of gun nuts, if the left was full of gun nuts you would have seen the same thing when bush was elected---

    but I have been stocking up as well, just because most of my ammo was old, havent been having any trouble finding any.

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    but I have been stocking up as well, just because most of my ammo was old, havent been having any trouble finding any.
    well then you contradict the reasoning you just gave. Hell I bought about 7k rounds from .22's to .223's and 7.65's to replace my stock. And of course there was an ammo shortage...
    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valiant Champion View Post
    Covertly the Obama administration is purchasing loads of commercial ammo so civilians will not be able to stock up. This can be legitimized as a measure to give preference to law enforcement and paramilitary first. This is being done until an effective ammunition act can be passed to regulate and restrict the sales of ammunition.
    Don't you think it's more probable that the ammo producers just can't afford to produce at as high quantities due to the economy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myxlpltx View Post
    Don't you think it's more probable that the ammo producers just can't afford to produce at as high quantities due to the economy?
    nope thats wrong, most of the ammo manufacturers are working in 24/7 shifts to keep up with demand. The economy is not affecting the gun industry in the slightest, in fact this is probably their best financial windfall they have ever seen and every time obama opens his mouth, more people run out to buy ammo.

    I myself have been investing heavily for the last few years. Right now guns and ammo are a much safer investment then putting your money elsewhere. Even if you dont "need" 100,000 rounds of ammo, you can still trade it if things get bad enough. In a barter economy, you better have something to barter with.

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    thats what im saying there is no shortage if you managed to buy 7k rounds, its just a boon to gun and bullet guys, has nothing to do with any conspiracy.

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    Why have the number of law enforcement and paramilitary agencies expanded over the last several years?

    As I said the Obama administration can justify this action by telling the manufacturer's that law enforcement gets priority. Then they can continue to buy and buy to clean the shelfs

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaigidel View Post
    supply and demand simple as that-- the political right is full of gun nuts, if the left was full of gun nuts you would have seen the same thing when bush was elected---

    but I have been stocking up as well, just because most of my ammo was old, havent been having any trouble finding any.

    You stock up on your ammo thus you own at least one gun. You obviously believe you are not a gun nut.

    So what is your definition of a gun nut?
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    thats what im saying there is no shortage if you managed to buy 7k rounds, its just a boon to gun and bullet guys, has nothing to do with any conspiracy.
    Not a conspiracy to rise up or anything, but the worry about banning certain weapons is real. THat's one of the reasons I replaced some of my stock. The .22's were irrelevent, I just needed more because it's a cheap round to shoot with.
    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    no 22 is just a great round, for anything; I buy them everytime I go to the store--- no weapons will be banned, that should not be banned,and if you own them already they will be grandfathered in----again valiant if jp and myself can find thousands of rounds of various calibers there is no shortage. and no conspiracyh-- its just alot of demand because of fears of regulation.

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    @valiant I probably own more guns than anyone else on this forum, and likely more than all of you put together.

    I love guns, I know guns.

    a gun nut is me of course, but the majority of them are on the right rather than the left politically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaigidel View Post
    @valiant I probably own more guns than anyone else on this forum, and likely more than all of you put together.

    I love guns, I know guns.

    a gun nut is me of course, but the majority of them are on the right rather than the left politically.
    Can you post pics of yourself with them? A neck beard and XXL size clothes are optional.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Valiant Champion View Post
    These are some of the theories so far on why this is happening

    1) civilian ammo manufacturers have cut production

    2) DOD surplus regulations have changed so that fired brass is no longer sold as surplus

    3) increased demand over the election of Obama

    4) increased demand over fear that crime will increase if the economy gets worse

    5) increased demand over preparation of a coming civil upheaval

    6) Law enforcement, private security, and offical paramilitary agencies have increased substantially over the last several years so that demand for ammo for training has increased.

    7) US army demand for ammo for the ongoing wars. However this one is debunked because the US is known to have dedicated ammunition manufacturers such as Lake City to meet their requirments.

    My own theory

    Covertly the Obama administration is purchasing loads of commercial ammo so civilians will not be able to stock up. This can be legitimized as a measure to give preference to law enforcement and paramilitary first. This is being done until an effective ammunition act can be passed to regulate and restrict the sales of ammunition.

    Any thoughts?
    Increased hillbillies shooting at tin cans?

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    I fall into the "increased hillbilly gun activity" category

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaigidel View Post
    I fall into the "increased hillbilly gun activity" category
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    I'd guess that good red blooded americans are buying more ammo with that commie pinko Obama in office. With that comes a bit of a shortage, and with the news of a shortage patriots are even more keen to buy up ammo whenever they can, making things worse.

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    nothing patriotic about getting ammo, its just in case of zombie apocalypse because I think that is more likely than a mad max future brought on by EVIL LIBERALS

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    So you freely admit that it is directly thanks to Obama that one of America's industries has had such a boon? He certainly was the sound economic choice.

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