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    Default I'm sick of all these protests. can I initiate a conversion to Constitutional Monarchy?

    Playing as Marathas. I neglected Islam in conquered territories, I got too many universities, and my leader died and the new leader has no Prestige. I think it'd be easier to switch to a Constitutional Monarchy. I have no enemies now, so I dont need the military bonuses of an Absolute Monarchy. I wouldnt mind the trade increase. What do I do? I heard I should let my capital rebel. Is there any other way?
    I envision a GREEN world! One conquered by Milan, of course.

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    Default Re: I'm sick of all these protests. can I initiate a conversion to Constitutional Monarchy?

    You can become a constituional monarchy by first becoming a republic by getting the lower classes to revolt, and then getting hte middle classes in a republic to revolt (which i should mention is quite difficult.
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    Default Re: I'm sick of all these protests. can I initiate a conversion to Constitutional Monarchy?

    What military bonuses do you get from and absolute monarchy?

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    Default Re: I'm sick of all these protests. can I initiate a conversion to Constitutional Monarchy?

    Make sure the upper classes rebel in your capitol only and make sure to pull the garrison from there before, so you can easily defeat them with your rebel army.

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    Default Re: I'm sick of all these protests. can I initiate a conversion to Constitutional Monarchy?

    I think i heard that in an absoloute monarchy you get double taxes, double effects from the leader and more repression.
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    Default Re: I'm sick of all these protests. can I initiate a conversion to Constitutional Monarchy?

    Is there a list to all the benefits? Double the Taxes sounds wonderful. I wouldnt want to lose that.
    I envision a GREEN world! One conquered by Milan, of course.

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    Default Re: I'm sick of all these protests. can I initiate a conversion to Constitutional Monarchy?

    I actually made more money when I switched France to a Republic, but it could be because the people weren't complaining about the higher taxes since they were now happy with the government.

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    Default Re: I'm sick of all these protests. can I initiate a conversion to Constitutional Monarchy?

    I almost never raise taxes beyond the minimum. I want population and business growth that perpetuates itself towards rather tons of money.

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    Default Re: I'm sick of all these protests. can I initiate a conversion to Constitutional Monarchy?

    It's really quite cumbersome to get from an Absolute to a Constitutional Monarchy, which is rather stupid. After all, constitutional monarchies sometimes were just a way to retain the monarchy while appeasing the masses.
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    Default Re: I'm sick of all these protests. can I initiate a conversion to Constitutional Monarchy?

    Exempt taxes in all settlements but your capital. Set the taxes low for lower class, and high for middle class/upper class. I am not sure if you first have to be a Republic, but I don't think you do.
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    Default Re: I'm sick of all these protests. can I initiate a conversion to Constitutional Monarchy?

    Is there a way to go from a Constitutional Monarchy (ie GB) to an Absolute Monarchy?

    Thanks

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    Default Re: I'm sick of all these protests. can I initiate a conversion to Constitutional Monarchy?

    Is there a way to go from a Constitutional Monarchy (ie GB) to an Absolute Monarchy?

    Thanks
    To change your government type, you will have to instigate a revolution (these might also come along whether you wish it or not). When the population of one or both of the classes in a region gets angry (-1 or lower public order), they will go on strike/write complaint letters the first turn, riot the second and revolt the third if nothing has still been done. If this revolt happens in your nation's home region, it will become a revolution. When these occur, you will be given the choice of joining the revolutionaries or to stay loyal to your current government and keep your current form of government.
    If the lower classes are the ones that starts the revolution, the result will be a Republic. If it's the middle classes, the result will be a Constitutional Monarchy. If it's the nobility, the result will be an Absolute Monarchy. Thus, if you want to go from an Absolute Monarchy to a Constitutional one, you will first have to angry the lower classes and become a Republic, then anger the middle classes to become a Constitutional Monarchy. If you are an Absolute Monarchy and you angry the nobility, you'll still be an Absolute Monarchy, but you'll get a new King or Queen.

    Note that, as mentioned above, revolutions can only occur in your home region. If the population in another region gets angry, this will not start a revolution but merely a revolt that you will have to squash before it spreads.

    A few tips concerning revolutions is to move any troops out of your home region before they happen if you want to join the revolutionaries, or to move them into the capital if you want to join the current government. Troops in the capital will stay loyal to your current government. If you want to join the revolutionaries, it can also be a good idea to destroy any walls you might have built in your capital. To create a revolution more easily, you can crank up the taxes for the class you wish to start the revolution to max, while exempting all other troublesome regions than your capital from taxes, so that they don't revolt while you're occupied with your revolution.

    While the country is in this state of revolution, the rest of your nation will be completely grayed out until the revolution is concluded, and nothing will happen in your other regions. Therefore make sure you end each revolution as quickly as possible
    I think i can find a list of the effects.
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    There are three different kinds of government types in Empire: Total War. Absolute Monarchy, Constitutional Monarchy and Republic.

    The Absolute Monarchy gives a happiness boost to the nobility, a public order penalty to the lower class and a high level of repression. Repression is just what it sounds like, enforced public order. Having an Absolute Monarchy slows down your research a little and decreases your economic growth. In the Absolute Monarchy, the Opposition at the bottom is replaced with Candidates. You can drag any one of these candidates to replace any minister you might have. You can also fire more than one minister each turn. When one of your ministers die, he will be replaced by his son. When they are fired, they're replaced by one of the Candidates. Your head of state is your King or Queen and sits for life. The effects of your kings/queens traits and ancillaries are doubled in an Absolute Monarchy.

    The Constitutional Monarchy gives a small happiness bonus to the nobility and the lower class as well as a moderate amount of repression. Your cabinet also has to suffer elections, one each 10 turns (or when you call for one). If you have a low government popularity (visible at the top of the government tab, and affected by amongst other things tax levels) your whole cabinet may be replaced. The Opposition you see at the bottom are the ones that will replace your ministers if they lose an election. Your King or Queen, however, sits for life. The Constitutional Monarchy does not affect research rate or economic growth.

    The Republic gives a large happiness boost to your lower classes and replaces the nobility with the middle classes. It offers a low level of repression however. Your head of state is elected along with the cabinet every 8 turns. If you have a low government popularity (visible at the top of the government tab, and affected by amongst other things tax levels) your whole cabinet may be replaced. The Opposition you see at the bottom are the ones that will replace your ministers if they lose an election. Ministers, including your Head of State (President), can sit for a maximum of 2 terms, which means 16 turns. After that, they can not be reelected, so if you have ministers with really good stats, you might want to think twice about issuing an election since this shortens the time they will be in office. The Republic offers positive bonuses for research rate and economic growth
    Last edited by roy34543; March 23, 2009 at 10:58 PM.
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    Default Re: I'm sick of all these protests. can I initiate a conversion to Constitutional Monarchy?

    Yeah, have an upper class revolt

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    Default Re: I'm sick of all these protests. can I initiate a conversion to Constitutional Monarchy?

    Thanks for the quick responses I'd +rep you but I'm not worthy enough to give out such accolades

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    @roy
    Thanks for the info,+rep
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    Quote Originally Posted by sffix View Post
    @roy
    Thanks for the info,+rep
    Wow... how did you gave him rep?
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    Default Re: I'm sick of all these protests. can I initiate a conversion to Constitutional Monarchy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pink Beard View Post
    Wow... how did you gave him rep?
    He gave him magic rep. It is worth much more than regular rep.

    Anyone have any idea on how popularity works? Mine starts low in the beginning and then works its way up. Is it tied to the tax sliders, battles, territories gained? I have had the upper class maxed in my Prussian campaign and the lower class (finicky little bastards) at the lowest. It has been the same for 90 turns.

    I think this is very new territory in total war games but a part of me would like a bit more randomness to revolutions and political upheaval. It would add some flavor to the game. Right now the controls seem to be too much in the player’s hands in preventing it. Maybe we would have the ability to slow it down but change is sometimes only a question of when.

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