Ferguson Rifles, and the possibilities

[Sir Muppet]

This idea is purely for amusement and such, and is not for any sort of historical accuracy whatsoever, so please don't complain about it on that front.

Now that's out of the way: A few days ago I saw a thread where somebody had changed the weapons for a unit. It set me off wondering whether for the late period a unit could be created of line infantry size (160 on ultra), that was fully equipped with Ferguson rifles without the ability to skirmish/behave as light infantry or with that ability, as a line infantry replacement for the late game. Seeing as we have Puckle guns, fielding an army with that 'machine-gun' and the closest thing we've got to a Martini-Henry and other weapons along those lines would be quite fun for some alternate history, in my opinion at least.

As I'm a complete dunce at modding, and even with the wonderful tutorials, I'm not sure how I'd go about doing this, or even whether it's possible or not!

N.B: The unit would be for all European factions, to make for a level playing field. And they'd probably need quite a lot of ammunition. On a different note, how would one change the ammunition quanitity to sixty rounds for all units, so they can actually keep up a proper amount of fire?

Thanks in advance!

[LtChambers]

I've been working to create a semi-automatic wielding unit but I've only been able to get them to fire so fast. And I have no idea how to replicate clip semantics where units could fire multiple times before reloading (although the puckle gun does seem to have these semantics already). As far as the former problem goes, I think the animation speed for reloading is a limiting factor since they must reload after every shot. It'll probably take some serious effort to make an infantry-type unit that has the puckle gun shoot*10->reload->repeat mode and animations.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

What about making a new weapon type that uses the bow, but instead shoots musket balls that way no reload needed other than pulling an arrow to the bow.

[Dea Paladin]

What about making a new weapon type that uses the bow, but instead shoots musket balls that way no reload needed other than pulling an arrow to the bow.

That way you could make it look like hes pulling back a bolt of a bolt-action rifle

[Sir Muppet]

The magazine loading for infantry is less of a concern for me, but if anybody could figure out how to make it work, it'd be a good boost for the chaps making that Victorian mod, for the Martini Henry for the British troops, and it'd be damn good fun in a late campaign too.

[MrThib]

I think the reloading animations are not weapon dependant but unit dependant. It must be one of the projectil ID, the 1 or the 2 since I've once created a unit with pistol and they was reloading like musket.

[Jams79]

I believe combat_type sets the unit reload animations.

[MrThib]

Yes, that must be thrue, I've done some testing with the projectil ID refs putting puckle_crew, and they seems to turn the wheel after firing then starting to reload, I've tryed foot_bow too, and they seems to fired all ranks at the same time.

[GroupofSpearmen]

You don't need to change the combat_type, the animations work, the infantry still fight like they're supposed to, just reload faster and have a range of 125 instead of 70-80.

[Sir Muppet]

It wasn't the animations I was really worried about either, seeing as it looks just fine for the breech loading rifle (The weapon model, incidentally looks just like a flintlock though), it was just making a line unit of them, and adding them to all the European factions that I can't get my head around.

[KnightsofEngland]

set the reloading skill to 59 for riflemen, 49 for muskets, they wil reload in 1 second

[Korvus77]

set the reloading skill to 59 for riflemen, 49 for muskets, they wil reload in 1 second

If you go to the projectile data the base reload seems to determine the amount of strokes of the rod the musket/artillery troops will use. Not proper terminology I know.

[KnightsofEngland]

If you go to the projectile data the base reload seems to determine the amount of strokes of the rod the musket/artillery troops will use. Not proper terminology I know.

no, riflemen are given base time of 60 seconds, the higher the reload skill the lower from 60 seconds and the quicker the shooting interval e.g. 35 reloading skill = 60 - 35 = 25 seconds reload

musketmen are based on 50 secs, if reloading skill = 35 then 50 - 35 =15 second reload

[LtChambers]

It sure as hell is longer than 1 second and not as simple as you say KnightsofEngland because I've set it to 1000 and not seen less than a 4 second reload.

[Dud doodoo]

Same here LT, I've been trying to figure out the secret of the puckle gun without success. Any ideas of where this could be?

[KnightsofEngland]

why would you want a machine gun

[Dud doodoo]

Are you seriously going to ask that question?

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[muffinhead]

Are you seriously going to ask that question?

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wow, very nice reply, the perfect question to answer a question with. Touche my friend and plus rep for the nice wit.

Anyway, i think the time is how many seconds of ramming the soldier uses. i set a unit to somewhere between 100-200 and all they do is drop the ball in, set the stock of the rifle on the ground, and then pick it up again and fire.

[Titan Uranus]

why would you want a machine gun

For repeating rifles, gatlings, and machine guns.
The specific reasons for these would be civil war-WWI mods.

wow, very nice reply, the perfect question to answer a question with. Touche my friend and plus rep for the nice wit.

Anyway, i think the time is how many seconds of ramming the soldier uses. i set a unit to somewhere between 100-200 and all they do is drop the ball in, set the stock of the rifle on the ground, and then pick it up again and fire.

The problem is that no matter how high you put the reload skill it is always no more than 2 RPS(Rounds Per Second) and there are no clips,

[LtChambers]

The problem is that no matter how high you put the reload skill it is always no more than 2 RPS(Rounds Per Second) and there are no clips,

The puckle gun has clips.