Fear for islam: Meaning behind the words

[Kjertesvein]

Since the Norwegian opposition party, the progress party, warned about "sneak-ismlamizm is coming to norway; Watch out, Islam are closing on Sharia law in the norwegian capital, Oslo". They quickly grew another 9,1% (close to 30%)after their claim. Directly connected with their speech.

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Without anyone in the norwegian press knowing what excactly the definition of radical Islamizm is... makes it a free-to-use, fear-word.
So I ask what do you define behind these words? what is the definition(Hijab?, Halal-meat?,seperating girls/boys in school?, Hijab as a custom in governemnt if need? etc...):

What is consider in a global therm:

Islamism?

Radical Islamism?

Extremist?

What is considerd in your country(Or is it the same?):

Islamism?

Radical Islamism?

Extremist?

[Sven788]

Typical leftyness to portay anti Islam things as Nazi.

[Kjertesvein]

Typical leftyness to portay anti Islam things as Nazi.

And it's typical of right wing to generalize less then 0.01% of the population as a threat to take over the entire capital(25%). You my friend is dead wrong.

[The Dude]

Go Siv Jensen. I hope she and the FRP make it big. Like Wilders, she's apparently being painted a nazi. Indeed, a very valiant defense from what's supposed to be a respected opponent. It seems the left wing gets its kicks from bullying fellow politicians rather than dealing with problems.

[Sven788]

And it's typical of right wing to generalize less then 0.01% of the population as a threat to take over the entire capital(25%). You my friend is dead wrong.

Yeah right, 0.01% of the population is Moslim, I laugh at you.

you do realize that this "labelling people" as "typical" thing is also a propoganda tool which makes "truth" sounds silly

Yeah I am brainwashed etc.. by propaganda.
You are a slave to political correctness.

Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWa-6...x=0&playnext=1
He clearly means the radicals, and I agree with him.
He also got a lot of points with the leftyness elite inside our government who try to get as many immigrants as possible inside the country to get votes.
That movie is only in Dutch but for the Dutchies here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQFL9...eature=related

[Kjertesvein]

Yeah right, 0.01% of the population is Moslim, I laugh at you.

She bashed on everything that has to do with muslim backround. Thats generalize 150 000 people(with islamic backround):

From premission to have sertin holidays & young girls having problems with gym class. To claim that Islamic forces also

...smuggled cigarettes, amphetamines, shock weapons and possibly smuggled meat...

and riots(gaza), gang crimes and that Islam is taking over the capital.



The extremly few radical muslims in norway("jihad"-ish movement) is hated by all, specially other muslims.
Example: Mullah Krekar.

He also got a lot of points with the leftyness elite inside our government who try to get as many immigrants as possible inside the country to get votes.

Not to crusade into another conflict, but you do know that people in general are (+/-) 50% Left/right. Not 100% muslim backround = hate america.

[Sven788]

I do not think you are brainwashed...you are just misinformed and therefore you have a very narrow view.
I'm not a slave to political correctness. Heck I make fun of it, thats also why I love George Carlin.

Yes you know everything, you are really well informed and your views are THE views just how it is.
Come on, you live in Turkey, your life isn't the same as mine and my life isn't the same as yours.
I live in a country with a lot of problems with Muslims and immigration it is normal for me to have a negative stance on immigration. You on the other hand live in a country that is developing and your people are the ones that are the target, it is normal for you to be like that.

But what I said wasn't wrong. It really is a technique....I have written a 4000 word essay on propoganda techniques. I did really make some research. And apparently you swallowed that one pretty fast.

And I wrote a 400000000000 word essay on how Moslims tear down our country does that make my opinion more right? NO!
I am not miss informed or whatever, I am one of the people who see the truth.

As an example in the youtube link, Geert Wilders was called a racist by a left politician when that politician could make more money by becomming a member of Geert's party, he started to be nice and tried to get in ofcourse Geert refused, he is right about the left elite inside our country who give eachother jobs and are only there for the money not for their ideals.

And stop your ridicolous thoughts on "lefties".....I can understand you do not know history. But the western society today is a product of those lefties. You owe your freedom to lefties from French Revolution to the end of Industrial revolution.

I do know history you obviously not.
The Western society is a mix of both, economic right and a lot of working class laws from the left etc...
I do NOT own freedom to those lefties.
You seem to forget that the real people who gave us freedom are the soldiers, the ones that actually fight the war instead of beginning the war.
Don't even get me started on all those lefty hippies lol!!!

And those 'lefties' I wouldn't even call them left where you are so proud of.
They are the middle class who wanted more influence in politics that's why they revolted in the beginning, later it was the lower class because of the working conditions.

[dogukan]

Yes you know everything, you are really well informed and your views are THE views just how it is.
Come on, you live in Turkey, your life isn't the same as mine and my life isn't the same as yours.
I live in a country with a lot of problems with Muslims and immigration it is normal for me to have a negative stance on immigration. You on the other hand live in a country that is developing and your people are the ones that are the target, it is normal for you to be like that.

I prefer putting myself on no side, looking thing objectively. You don't...I doN't hate anyone(nor have prejudices) based on nationality/religion you do(even if you deny, you know in your subcounciousness you do).
I have seen the both sides, western life and the life you call primitive. You have only seen western.
I thought this could make what I say more credible but of course, it's relative.

And I wrote a 400000000000 word essay on how Moslims tear down our country does that make my opinion more right? NO!

It wasn't about opinions...it really is a propoganda technique, thats what I said.

I am not miss informed or whatever, I am one of the people who see the truth.

Truth is a relative thing...truth which applies to majority can be accepted as the best IMO. Thats what I base my opinion up on.

As an example in the youtube link, Geert Wilders was called a racist by a left politician when that politician could make more money by becomming a member of Geert's party, he started to be nice and tried to get in ofcourse Geert refused, he is right about the left elite inside our country who give eachother jobs and are only there for the money not for their ideals.

Politicians are humans...plus well, they are politicians. I hope you get what I mean.

I do know history you obviously not.
The Western society is a mix of both, economic right and a lot of working class laws from the left etc...
I do NOT own freedom to those lefties.
You seem to forget that the real people who gave us freedom are the soldiers, the ones that actually fight the war instead of beginning the war.

Uhh....what? Soldiers? Soldiers from what side, in which war? You owe the innovative ideas to left minded people. You see, the word "equality" has a lot to do with being leftist. Most of the intellectuals who boosted people to revolt against the rule of despots would be labelled as communists if they lived during the cold war era. Have you read them?
Same goes for the 19th century. The people who demanded people to gain better money, have social rights(healtcare, protection..etc) was also a result of demands of leftist workers.

Don't even get me started on all those lefty hippies lol!!!

Leftist hippies....by saying that, you're just trying to take the meaning away from that.....thats like me calling you a NAZI because of what you say.

And those 'lefties' I wouldn't even call them left where you are so proud of.

I neither consider myself on the right wing, nor left wing. Though from my view, people call me leftist.
I try to be humanistic, objective and liberal open-minded person. I'm also proud of my people's history and language. But not to the point which would annoy others.

They are the middle class who wanted more influence in politics that's why they revolted in the beginning, later it was the lower class because of the working conditions.

And that made the west a better place today....soooo?

[Treize]

And I wrote a 400000000000 word essay on how Moslims tear down our country does that make my opinion more right?

But that's not because of there religion...

[dogukan]

Typical leftyness to portay anti Islam things as Nazi.

you do realize that this "labelling people" as "typical" thing is also a propoganda tool which makes "truth" sounds silly

[Babur]

Typical leftyness to portay anti Islam things as Nazi.

Is that you Geert?

[ShADoW]

Typical leftyness to portay anti Islam things as Nazi.

Same thing when you say something Anti-semetic.

[Kjertesvein]

@Chaghatai Khan

No free ride. 1 topic from the first post.

@Shadow-X4X
You too, and stop jacking on Chaghatai's leg.

[Babur]

@Chaghatai Khan

No free ride. 1 topic from the first post.

@Shadow-X4X
You too, and stop jacking on Chaghatai's leg.

sorry man

well still I feel this fear of Islam is similar to 1950s Mccarthyism or 1930s Nazism.

[The Dude]

Well, soothe our fears. Name some good things about Islam that the west could gladly embrace. What could Islam contribute to our societies?

[Treize]

Islamism is the political islam with the goal of estabishing a theocracy with sharia laws.

No very pleasant I suppose...

[motiv-8]

Islamism is the political islam with the goal of estabishing a theocracy with sharia laws.

No very pleasant I suppose...

No, it's not. You couldn't be any more off the mark.

Islamism is an amorphous term that could have anything from religious to social-cultural to political connotations. A person that wishes to involve their religion and God in more of their daily life via avenues such as prayer, song, speech, dress, or acts of public piety, can be called an Islamist. That has nothing to do with politics.

[Manco]

What is considered in a global term:

Islamism? Political Islam, or the philosophy that governing bodies should be organized according to Islamic rules, with Sharia-law as it most famous consequence.

Radical Islamism? Islamism is already radical enough, but I suppose these would be the ones using violence to achieve it.

Extremist? Anyone who holds an opinion which differs vastly from the average (or the 'stable' status quo)

What is considered in your country(Or is it the same?): pretty much the same, although extremists are usually considered the extreme rightwingers and all non-secular Muslims.

[mongrel]

What is consider in a global therm:

Islamism?

Radical Islamism?

Extremist?

What is considerd in your country(Or is it the same?):

Islamism?

Radical Islamism?

Extremist?

These words added to any conspiratorial nonsense can guarantee a moderately lucrative book deal or well-paid column inches in certain newspapers .

[Kjertesvein]

Go Siv Jensen. I hope she and the FRP make it big. Like Wilders, she's apparently being painted a nazi. Indeed, a very valiant defense from what's supposed to be a respected opponent. It seems the left wing gets its kicks from bullying fellow politicians rather than dealing with problems.

March 21.

Ap 36,2 % (+ 1,1) (Labour party)
Frp 23,7 % (+ 2,9) (Progress parti)
Høyre 11,5 (- 4,1)
SV 9,9 % (+ 1,5)
Sp 5,5 % (+ 0,8)
Venstre 5,0 % (- 1,8)
Krf 4,7 % (- 1,2)

LEFT--SV--Sp--Ap--Middel--Venstre--Høyre--Krf--Frp--RIGHT
Frp keep eating up Høyre, while the 3 leftish parties grow.
Seem like people know that security,and jobs is more importent then the small issues.

These words added to any conspiratorial nonsense can guarantee a moderately lucrative book deal or well-paid column inches in certain newspapers .

...english?