A possible CA leak?

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Came across an interesting post...

I came here to seek enlightenment regarding the status, both current and future, of ETW, as seen through the eye's of end users.

Then, rather rashly, I thought that this thread looked interesting and that I might take a look.

I have now read the entire thread. Now I too have discovered that following other peoples argument's over what amounts to simple semantics is an astonishing waste of time.

In my defense though, I honestly did think that I would get at least one or two laughs out of 17 and a bit pages. Sadly, this has not been the case.

Oh, and by the way, the majority of the Creative Assembly production on ETW was done here, in Brisbane, Australia. I can state, with some authority, that there was, and still is, a rather acute level of concern over the state of the gold version. It was not, and is not considered to be worthy of release candicy.

Thus, there is much wailing and gnashing of teeth at all levels of CA, both British and Australian, particularly regarding the health of the relationship with Sega.

And the administrative activities of certain web sites is now also being examined. The last thing needed now is for miss-directed loyalty to further complicate the situation. Good will is actually deemed to be extremely important by all involved. It directly impacts on the sale value of future IP's.

Particularly as this whole, poorly managed, situation has impacted on the development by CA Australia of a new, multi-platform IP.

Those here in the industry expect there to be some new employment opportunities arising in Brisbane shortly.

I'll brb...............................

Original post was on the steam forums
http://forums.steampowered.com/forum...824524&page=18

Could there be anything to this? Interesting how during marketing CA tried so desperately to distance themselves from CA Australia!

[Paul_Kingtiger]

Judging my the amount of trolling in that thread I wouldn't be at all surprised if that was just more trolling. Also I would have thought that CA had pretty strict rules about posting on work related forums. Sure it's not easy to catch you, but I bet you would be in a pile of trouble.

I just can't see someone taking that risk, jobs aren't growing on trees at the moment and it would be a nasty stain on your work record.

[Tiberius Tosi]

Could someone briefly explain what that means exactly? I really don't get it lol.

[Yojimbo]

Could someone briefly explain what that means exactly? I really don't get it lol.

It means that the Australia branch of ca the ones responsible for m2twcreated etw NOT the uk branch that made m2tw which was full of bugs.

It seems nobody at either breach considered the game release worthy.

It looks like ca is angry at sega for the pathetic state of the game on release.

I think they want websites to know ca Australia made etw not ca uk

And people think that ca au are going to be fired

I am shocked we were lied to by ca about was was making etw they know nobody likes their Australian branch because of how m2tw turned out. We have been lied to. I...cant believe this. They lied over who made the game to get more sales. How corrupt. I cant BELIEVE this! AND everyone knew the game wasn't finished and they released it anyway!

Never again CA never again. You knowingly release unfinished games

[snuggans]

except m2tw was playable.

sure i remember getting super pissed at the awful cavalry charges. but the game as a whole was playable.

[Yojimbo]

i am flabbergasted

[pdanders]

except m2tw was playable.

sure i remember getting super pissed at the awful cavalry charges. but the game as a whole was playable.

your definition of playable must be different from mine... M2TW was IMO easily the worst TW game at release... and I still think it's the worst of the vanilla games... but with SS or deus lo vult it is awesome

[Yojimbo]

your definition of playable must be different from mine... M2TW was IMO easily the worst TW game at release... and I still think it's the worst of the vanilla games... but with SS or deus lo vult it is awesome

As awful as m2tw was it was still more playable than etw is. ETW has crushing technical problems like crashing and terrible performance not just bugs.

[snuggans]

your definition of playable must be different from mine... M2TW was IMO easily the worst TW game at release... and I still think it's the worst of the vanilla games... but with SS or deus lo vult it is awesome

you're quite right in stating that my definition of playable differs from yours.
since you mentioned mods like SS, i'm assuming you're referring to specific gameplay aspects like stats as well as general reskins and new factions.

mods usually don't deal with glitches, memory leaks, and the like and if they do they address very little. it's usually the patches or expansions that fix these things. M2TW at release was far more playable than ETW at release (and as of this post), vanilla or not.

[McMoose77]

except m2tw was playable.

sure i remember getting super pissed at the awful cavalry charges. but the game as a whole was playable.

Gameplay wise it was much worse than ETW. There were no shields. Two-handed weapons couldn't attack mounted units. Path finding was a nightmare. And there was a fair share of CTDs.

[Legion 88]

Gameplay wise it was much worse than ETW. There were no shields. Two-handed weapons couldn't attack mounted units. Path finding was a nightmare. And there was a fair share of CTDs.

I honestly Can't remember M2TW Vanilla it seems like a life time ago, i guess we base ETW on Stainless Steel, or similar mods which have been worked and refined.

Only time will tell

[Hunter Makoy]

Gameplay wise it was much worse than ETW. There were no shields. Two-handed weapons couldn't attack mounted units. Path finding was a nightmare. And there was a fair share of CTDs.

Yea, except, the main thing that made M2TW more playable then ETW is EVERYONE COULD ACTUALLY PLAY IT! The CTD's on M2TW were nothing compared to ETW, which for many people just flat wont run without lag regardless of specs.

[TSD]

It means that the Australia branch of ca the ones responsible for m2twcreated etw NOT the uk branch that made m2tw which was full of bugs.

It seems nobody at either breach considered the game release worthy.

It looks like ca is angry at sega for the pathetic state of the game on release.

I think they want websites to know ca Australia made etw not ca uk

And people think that ca au are going to be fired

I am shocked we were lied to by ca about was was making etw they know nobody likes their Australian branch because of how m2tw turned out. We have been lied to. I...cant believe this. They lied over who made the game to get more sales. How corrupt. I cant BELIEVE this! AND everyone knew the game wasn't finished and they released it anyway!

Never again CA never again. You knowingly release unfinished games

So you are taking some post on a message board as fact? You don't want a little evidence to back it up?

I work as a software developer and take the confidentiality agreement seriously I don't care if someone blamed me in particular for a shoddy product, I wouldn't spill my guts to the world, I can't imagine anyone would risk that, if you got caught doing that you can garauntee you will never work in the industry again.

In the end there is no reason to believe anything in that post is fact, or the poster was from CA. Why you people would outright just believe this is beyond me. I am not saying for a fact it isn't, but you people are showing how gullible you are believing some anonymous post from someone who "claims" to be an insider without any sort of evidence. So who here wears foil hats?

[Faris ad Din]

It means that the Australia branch of ca the ones responsible for m2twcreated etw NOT the uk branch that made m2tw which was full of bugs.

It seems nobody at either breach considered the game release worthy.

It looks like ca is angry at sega for the pathetic state of the game on release.

I think they want websites to know ca Australia made etw not ca

And people think that ca au are going to be fired

I am shocked we were lied to by ca about was was making etw they know nobody likes their Australian branch because of how m2tw turned out. We have been lied to. I...cant believe this. They lied over who made the game to get more sales. How corrupt. I cant BELIEVE this! AND everyone knew the game wasn't finished and they released it anyway!

Never again CA never again. You knowingly release unfinished games

Impossible, it must be the CA UK team that made Empire: Total War. At the very least they would have done the lion's share of development on it, and we have had interviews and feedback from various developers, IN THE UK. What else could they have been making since 2005 (release of Barbarian Invasion)? To be frank there are lots of innovations and good features in ETW (albeit accompanied with lots of glaringly lacking features and game-breaking problems). It's CA UK's work.

At that, I think it is really unfair to label and denigrate CA Brisbane as I see is happening. They are a game company who did work hard to bring our community a Total War game, and they gave us a pretty good quality one at that. Yes, it has bugs, and yes, I strongly agree myself they made slip-ups in M2:TW. Criticize away, but remember to whom these people are providing and dedicating their work - us players.

Oh, so CA Australia and not CA UK. Why did they lie to us about it?

What has CA UK been doing all this while I wonder....

It was CA UK who made the game. Now that the blame is on the supposed hardcore heavyweight team, does it look quite as bad?

(Okay, it's BAD! But "as" bad?"

[Scalylizard]

....They are a game company who did work hard to bring our community a Total War game, and they gave us a pretty good quality one at that. Yes, it has bugs, and yes, I strongly agree myself they made slip-ups in M2:TW. Criticize away, but remember to whom these people are providing and dedicating their work - us players.

Faris,
We paid money for this. (well technically, I haven't paid because my friend has one and I played at his place. He already threw the game in the closet and I didn't like it either. If you had been talking about moders and their work, I would be right beside you. I understand that you are trying to ease tensions but I guess it is at a point that it doesn't make much sense anymore. TW community is loyal that I can't imagine the reaction would be this bad if the game was delayed for another quarter. I wish they'd done that.


Regarding the anonymous post, it actually makes perfect sense that it might be a disgruntled employee spilling some internal information because of the mess up.
when it comes to things like that no one can ever know whether it is really an insider or not, since no one is going to issue proof of ID. But at the same time, you can't automatically dismiss it either.

[Faris ad Din]

Faris,
We paid money for this. (well technically, I haven't paid because my friend has one and I played at his place. He already threw the game in the closet and I didn't like it either. If you had been talking about moders and their work, I would be right beside you. I understand that you are trying to ease tensions but I guess it is at a point that it doesn't make much sense anymore. TW community is loyal that I can't imagine the reaction would be this bad if the game was delayed for another quarter. I wish they'd done that.

Aye, I fully understand what you mean, and most of the time I'm rank-and-file in the decrying camp! I don't find any excuse for not discussing and asking for every best feature that can be conceived of. I just see the possibility of the discussion turning into a pure Brisbane bash. I think most everyone would agree now that would be pretty pointless and unproductive! You can only imagine community opinion turning relentlessly towards a "We won't take any CA Brisbane-made stuff! We want it from CA UK!" which is good and fair, after one fairly considers their merits.

I still want my Total War games made by CA UK (hoping ETW is an anomaly).

Regarding the anonymous post, it actually makes perfect sense that it might be a disgruntled employee spilling some internal information because of the mess up.
when it comes to things like that no one can ever know whether it is really an insider or not, since no one is going to issue proof of ID. But at the same time, you can't automatically dismiss it either.

I can't say who wrote it, and didn't either... (I know you may be addressing other people.) All I know and said is that I know many specific pieces of evidence over our ETW waiting period that it is much more probable that CA UK made (most of) ETW, and not CA Brisbane.

[PSYCHO V]

It means that the Australia branch of ca the ones responsible for m2twcreated etw NOT the uk branch that made m2tw which was full of bugs.

It seems nobody at either breach considered the game release worthy.

It looks like ca is angry at sega for the pathetic state of the game on release.

I think they want websites to know ca Australia made etw not ca uk

And people think that ca au are going to be fired

I am shocked we were lied to by ca about was was making etw they know nobody likes their Australian branch because of how m2tw turned out.

Hate to burst the conspiracy bubble here but this is bs. CA UK were working on ETW whilst CA Oz was doing Kingdoms. I happened to have paid the Oz guys a visit just prior the release of kingdoms and I can assure you every man and his dog's flees were working exclusively on Kingdoms. Given that fact, I find it nigh impossible for them to have then turned around and knocked out ETW.

my2bob

[Yojimbo]

Hate to burst the conspiracy bubble here but this is bs. CA UK were working on ETW whilst CA Oz was doing Kingdoms. I happened to have paid the Oz guys a visit just prior the release of kingdoms and I can assure you every man and his dog's flees were working exclusively on Kingdoms. Given that fact, I find it nigh impossible for them to have then turned around and knocked out ETW.

my2bob

And do you really think they would let you see? Also who are you to visit CA?

[bortin]

Isn't CA Australia also responsible for Stormrise, the futuristic RTS with the whole whip select hoo-bah-joob for console controls?

Edge Magazine UK gave it a 4.5/10?

Wow. Not a good time to be a CA Australia employee, especially if tied to that Stormrise project!

('-')y

[Hauler]

It means that the Australia branch of ca the ones responsible for m2twcreated etw NOT the uk branch that made m2tw which was full of bugs.

It seems nobody at either breach considered the game release worthy.

It looks like ca is angry at sega for the pathetic state of the game on release.

I think they want websites to know ca Australia made etw not ca uk

And people think that ca au are going to be fired

I am shocked we were lied to by ca about was was making etw they know nobody likes their Australian branch because of how m2tw turned out. We have been lied to. I...cant believe this. They lied over who made the game to get more sales. How corrupt. I cant BELIEVE this! AND everyone knew the game wasn't finished and they released it anyway!

Never again CA never again. You knowingly release unfinished games

My family told me of some federal organizations here in the US that would love to look into something like this. I'm sure they would be itching to see what they can do. This is a real shame. Game companies have more and more been doing this(not all but some). I think its time for us as consumers to take a stand and say enough is enough were tired of being treated like a doormat. I for one can't stand the disgusting over hyping of games that are only decent to poor. A couple of names spring to mind but I won't even go into to that.