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    WASHINGTON – Congressional Republicans on Sunday predicted a doomsday scenario of crushing debt and eventual federal bankruptcy if President Barack Obama's massive spending blueprint wins passage.

    But a White House adviser dismissed the negative assessments, saying she is "incredibly confident" that the president's policies will "do the job" for the economy.


    In a TV interview, Obama himself laughed when discussing the dire state of parts of the economy — and ascribed his laughter to "gallows humor."


    White House Council of Economic Advisers chairwoman Christina Romer insisted that the nation's flailing economy will be rebounding by 2010.
    Administration officials — and the president himself — have taken a cheerier tone despite economic indicators that are anything but positive.


    "I have every expectation, as do private forecasters, that we will bottom out this year and actually be growing again by the end of the year," Romer said.
    The president, in an interview that aired Sunday on CBS News' "60 Minutes," talked about the need to spend taxpayer money to save financial firms and the auto industry.


    "I just want to say that the only thing less popular than putting money into banks is putting money into the auto industry," Obama said with a laugh.
    Interviewer Steve Kroft asked how that laughter might be perceived, given the economy's troubles.


    "There's got to be a little gallows humor to get you through the day," Obama said. "If you had said to us a year ago that the least of my problems would be Iraq, which is still a pretty serious problem, I don't think anybody would have believed it."

    Republicans say Obama's budget is no laughing matter.


    Senate Republicans warned of deficits that could climb to $20 trillion in coming years and a weakened dollar if Obama and his Democratic allies get their proposed $3.6 trillion budget plan passed.


    "The practical implications of this is bankruptcy for the United States," said Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H. "There's no other way around it. If we maintain the proposals which are in this budget over the 10-year period that this budget covers, this country will go bankrupt. People will not buy our debt; our dollar will become devalued."


    Sen. Susan Collins, a Maine Republican who sided with Obama on his $787 billion economic stimulus plan, said she couldn't support the White House plan this time.


    "It would double the public debt in 5 years, triple it in 10 years. ... That is not sustainable. It poses a threat to the basic health of our economy," Collins said.


    Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama, the top Republican on the banking committee, said Obama would have to scale back his budget, given a Congressional Budget Office report Friday that the president's budget would produce $9.3 trillion in deficits over the next decade — more than four times the deficits of Republican George W. Bush's presidency.


    Shelby predicted that number could reach $20 trillion in coming years as Obama guides the country to "the fast road to financial destruction."
    North Dakota Democrat Kent Conrad, chairman of the Senate budget committee, acknowledged, "We cannot have debt pile on top of debt." He added: "In the short term, yes, we have got to have added deficits and debt to give lift to this economy, but longer term, we have got to pivot."
    The CBO predicted a deficit of $2.3 trillion worse than what the administration projected. Romer downplayed those numbers.


    "There is a question whether CBO is right. So we know that forecasts — both of what the economy is going to do and of what the budget deficits are going to do — are highly uncertain," she said. Asked the level of her confidence in an improving economy, Romer was concise: "Incredibly confident. ... We absolutely think that they are going to do the job for the American economy."


    Vice President Joe Biden's economic adviser said the administration was open to negotiate with lawmakers. "We don't expect these folks to sign on the dotted line," Jared Bernstein said.


    However, he added, "What we do expect and what we are going to stand very firm on, because this president, this vice president have made this clear, that there are these priorities that brought them to the dance here: energy reform, health care reform, education, all done in the context of a budget that cuts the deficit in half over our first term." Bernstein and Conrad spoke on ABC's "This Week." Romer spoke on "Fox News Sunday" and CNN's "Face the Nation." Shelby spoke on "Fox News Sunday." Gregg appeared on CNN's "State of the Union."



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    Why does Obama trying to get support from the American people for his plan. We can't vote on it. Go to congress you money burner


    EDIT: I HIGHLY dislike Obama. Lets have a COUP!
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    This is ape insane...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celsius View Post
    Why does Obama trying to get support from the American people for his plan. We can't vote on it. Go to congress you money burner


    EDIT: I HIGHLY dislike Obama. Lets have a COUP!
    If we're talking a theoretical coup, the only way it could be even remotely successful without resulting into another cluster somewhere down the line again in the future would be to imprison all incumbent politicians we currently have now, for charges of treason, abolishing the federal reserve and IRS agency, while banning lobbyists of big companies and controlling the monoply ownerships.

    For now, there's not enough justification for this to take place yet.
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    like obama, voted for him and feel he will be vindicated in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaigidel View Post
    like obama, voted for him and feel he will be vindicated in the end.

    How does spending more, in these numbers solve anything, when all it will do it make more upon more debt, year after year?

    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    I have been unable to find the actual budget to see if it includes the stimulus bill or not.
    lmao(even though it isn't funny), i don't think you need to mate.
    I think we all know the answer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hotspur View Post
    Obama has stated that those operations would no longer be supplemental budget items, so I'm guessing it does.

    Any budgetary or financial projections more than 18 months in the future might as well be made with a magic 8-ball. Nobody saw this mess coming a year ago, so I have zero confidence in anybody's ability to project five, ten or twenty years out.
    Yes they did, just that all the ignorant people out there refused to believe them and called them "conspiracy theorists" for thinking that way.
    You're all digging you're own graves unless you ask, keep sitting on you're asses and you will be finding out very shortly indeed.

    Quote Originally Posted by GuineaPig View Post
    All this right-wing outrage is amusing.

    It's 3.6 trillion bucks, 500 billion more than the latest budget by Bush. Except the 3.6 trillion includes 400 billion of the stimulus package, and all the war spending.

    So really, we're looking at almost identical levels of spending, because Obama isn't trying to hide the amount of military spending on Iraq and Afghanistan.
    Was it 2008?
    America wasn't in the mire then either was it?
    Must be a coincidence?

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    Does it include the stimulus bill already passed? If so its not that much higher than 2008. And does it include spending on Iraq and Afghan war instead of in separate bills?

    Cause if it includes Iraq and Afghanistan, its only about 300,000,000,000 more than last year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    Does it include the stimulus bill already passed? If so its not that much higher than 2008. And does it include spending on Iraq and Afghan war instead of in separate bills?

    Cause if it includes Iraq and Afghanistan, its only about 300,000,000,000 more than last year.
    Obama has stated that those operations would no longer be supplemental budget items, so I'm guessing it does.

    Any budgetary or financial projections more than 18 months in the future might as well be made with a magic 8-ball. Nobody saw this mess coming a year ago, so I have zero confidence in anybody's ability to project five, ten or twenty years out.

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    All this right-wing outrage is amusing.

    It's 3.6 trillion bucks, 500 billion more than the latest budget by Bush. Except the 3.6 trillion includes 400 billion of the stimulus package, and all the war spending.

    So really, we're looking at almost identical levels of spending, because Obama isn't trying to hide the amount of military spending on Iraq and Afghanistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotspur View Post
    Obama has stated that those operations would no longer be supplemental budget items, so I'm guessing it does.

    Any budgetary or financial projections more than 18 months in the future might as well be made with a magic 8-ball. Nobody saw this mess coming a year ago, so I have zero confidence in anybody's ability to project five, ten or twenty years out.
    What the hell are you talking about? Tons of people predicted this almost a decade before it happened...
    Quote Originally Posted by GuineaPig View Post
    All this right-wing outrage is amusing.

    It's 3.6 trillion bucks, 500 billion more than the latest budget by Bush. Except the 3.6 trillion includes 400 billion of the stimulus package, and all the war spending.

    So really, we're looking at almost identical levels of spending, because Obama isn't trying to hide the amount of military spending on Iraq and Afghanistan.
    What are you talking about? The OP specifically said he does not know if it includes the stimulus or not, and I doubt it does. Either way, why the outrage? Uhh...the economy is in noticeably worse shape than it was under Bush, so obviously tolerance of high spending changes accordingly. wtf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scar Face View Post
    What the hell are you talking about? Tons of people predicted this almost a decade before it happened...
    Then it should be no problem for you to provide the links that predicted the banking sector collapse, driving the US into the worst recession since the end of the second world war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotspur View Post
    Then it should be no problem for you to provide the links that predicted the banking sector collapse, driving the US into the worst recession since the end of the second world war.
    Peter Schiff, Gerald Celente, Jim Rogers- hell Ron Paul. Basically, google search "Austrian school of economics". Find anyone who follows that school, and you found someone who knew the collapse was coming.

    Edit: By the way, you meant to say "driving the u.s into the worst economic collapse." This wont be a recession, and the Great depression will not be considered so Great when its over ;]

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    It's about time someone went after the men behind the curtian and end this.

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    ing ridiculous, just utterly ridiculous.

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    I have been unable to find the actual budget to see if it includes the stimulus bill or not.
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    Default Re: Obama Presents $3.6 trillion budget to Congress

    By spending three trillion dollars in one year.... we will cut our deficit in half by the end of four? Where is this magic wand? I want a pet unicorn.

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    Here we go:





    The stimulus isn't included in the budget.
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    The funny thing is that I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of some sort of redistribution, but on this scale its just ridiculous what's being spent.
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    Obama is going to raise taxes considerably on tobacco. Im a casual smoker myself but I cant say its a bad move. Great way to reform the health care sector by indirectly reducing the amount of patients. Alcohol tax next.


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    Obama it seems has turned into a Black Hole.
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