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    As we've all noticed, there is a new feature when you besiege a city which is 'demand surrender.' Just for a little role playing, I always click on it before I attack...just...for role playing. I have never seen a city surrender, even when only defended by the mob with muskets! Has anyone ever seen this feature do anything? (just out of polite curiosity)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royalark14 View Post
    As we've all noticed, there is a new feature when you besiege a city which is 'demand surrender.' Just for a little role playing, I always click on it before I attack...just...for role playing. I have never seen a city surrender, even when only defended by the mob with muskets! Has anyone ever seen this feature do anything? (just out of polite curiosity)

    Nope, to the best of my knowledge at least, its a null feature, doesn't work But it should do, when you heavily outnumber the enemy to the point where fighting you WOULD mean certain death.
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    You must pass a few turns while sieging a city and then try to make them surrender.

    I already tried it and 7 cities have surrendered to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharzu View Post
    You must pass a few turns while sieging a city and then try to make them surrender.

    I already tried it and 7 cities have surrendered to me.
    I will try this. It worked during RTI, but I'm sure they were scripted to accept in that instance.

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    Yes, I always click on "surrender" button too and it never works. They always refuse, even when there are only few flintlock mobs vs. my full stack. I am playing ETW since release, five or six hours every day so that`s hundreds of battle so far,defenders never accepted offer so "surrender" option must be bugged.
    Edit: I always attack first turn, I`ll try to wait few turns and see if it really works that way.

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    Interesting yes...unless they have a general with trillion stars or whatever, u would assume they would surrender to forces 2-3 times larger AND your forces are profesional sorldiers.
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    Ravage their towns as well, and hold the seige until a turn before it ends.
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    The enemy loses men while your are sieging the city, that's why passing a few turns should help to make them surrender.
    Anyway i hope it works for you.
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    It's weird, however. This was basically the way in which a town's civilians could avoid getting slaughtered.

    I do not see why they have to wait until they are all dying of dysentary and malnutrition before surrendering. If there is a massive horde at the gates, and you have two civilian mobs to defend, I would have thought surrender would be the smart move sometimes, even in the first turn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMT View Post
    It's weird, however. This was basically the way in which a town's civilians could avoid getting slaughtered.

    I do not see why they have to wait until they are all dying of dysentary and malnutrition before surrendering. If there is a massive horde at the gates, and you have two civilian mobs to defend, I would have thought surrender would be the smart move sometimes, even in the first turn.
    So true. I hope they fix this or atleast make a mod.
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    Default Re: Surrender or Face Death!

    Slightly off topic, but has anyone ever had a demand for surrender by the AI?


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    Quote Originally Posted by calicheSCOT View Post
    Slightly off topic, but has anyone ever had a demand for surrender by the AI?
    I never got a demand for surrendering by the AI. I hope that someone can confirm if they can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharzu View Post
    I never got a demand for surrendering by the AI. I hope that someone can confirm if they can.
    yes, I had it more than once (playing normal) though if you play hard/very-hard they stop demanding it

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    has this worked for anyone yet? i besieged with approximately 1400 men against a cav unit and light infantry unit.... they wouldnt surrender.
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    Crappy AI (CA) is retarded as hell and no, unless you have 20 stacks of full guards against 2 citizenry they will never, ever surrender, even then!

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    Fairly sure it's more to do with keeping multiplayer campaigns going than anything else... then again, I always play on vh/vh, so perhaps it's different on the difficulty settings designed for the embryos of single celled organisms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isaristh View Post
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    its like the acronym for crappy AI is CA as well as creative assembly Irony
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    Default Re: Surrender or Face Death!

    Quote Originally Posted by Isaristh View Post
    Crappy AI (CA) is retarded as hell and no, unless you have 20 stacks of full guards against 2 citizenry they will never, ever surrender, even then!
    they dont surrender then either. ive tried it.
    from other posts it seems they do surrender after a period of turns (but still i have not had them surrender even then) and honestly it would make more sense if they surrendered on the first turn sometimes. since it happened many times in history a battle would be won without a shot fired
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    How come besieging a city doesnt work for me. I siege it and wait turns, but they always launch a counter attack after the first turn with their crappy flintlock citizen. Never has a siege lasted for more then a turn. I just attack and autoresolve now, well not anymore since I stopped playing campaign.

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    Yeah but if they counterattack they don't get their fortifications.

    Fortifications = pain due to retarded AI and pathfinding, it just degenrates into bayonets on the walls whilst ur cannon shoots a hole in the wall then there's a mass brawl in the square. Defenders are useless shooting from walls (even cannon). But your own troops are retarded too, making tea when they shoud be deploying grapples and ladders, refusing to go up walls, etc.

    If they fixed that, and fixed the defensive AI or behaviour of troops on walls it would be even more painful and bloody.

    I can't believe I'm pining for M2TW seiges, at least you got to see AI go out in a death or glory rush towards your 6-7 armoured spearmen holding the gap

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