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    Default Leading Candidate for EU President also leading candidate for NATO head

    The US is prepared to back Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen to be the next secretary general of Nato, US and alliance sources say.

    The current secretary general, Dutch diplomat Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, steps down at the end of July.

    Mr Rasmussen, Denmark's premier since 2001, is already reported to have the backing of France, Germany and the UK.

    Mr Rasmussen is a strong supporter of Nato's mission in Afghanistan, sending a contingent of 750 Danish troops.

    However, he has not confirmed his candidacy and the appointment needs the unanimous backing of all 26 Nato member states.

    Turkey is said to have misgivings about Mr Rasmussen over his refusal to apologise for the publication of cartoons in a Danish newspaper in 2005, one of which depicted the Prophet Muhammad with a bomb in his turban.

    The cartoons sparked a worldwide controversy.

    Traditionally the post of secretary general is usually held by a European while the Nato's military commander is American.

    Other contenders for the position include Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski, Norwegian Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Stoere, former British Defence Secretary Des Browne, former Bulgarian Foreign Minister Solomon Passy and Canadian Defence Minister Peter MacKay.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7957427.stm

    Looks interesting. An extremely Pro-EU politician and candidate for EU President being given the position of Secretary General of NATO. Would it be possible to hold both positions? And if so may it lead to that being a dual hat position? (As in the President of the EU being also put in as the Secretary General of NATO)
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    I doubt he will be given both positions - the room for conflicts of interest is too big. Personally I think Tony Blair is the best and one of the most likely candidates for EU president (should the treaty of Lisbon pass). He has support from the Pro American countries (for obvious reasons) and support from the French and other Pro integration countries because he would give the role real international weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elrond View Post
    I doubt he will be given both positions - the room for conflicts of interest is too big. Personally I think Tony Blair is the best and one of the most likely candidates for EU president (should the treaty of Lisbon pass). He has support from the Pro American countries (for obvious reasons) and support from the French and other Pro integration countries because he would give the role real international weight.
    This may sound ignorant, but I thought brits (and I guess the EU in general) didn't like Blair? Or am I missing something?


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    Quote Originally Posted by CtrlAltDe1337 View Post
    This may sound ignorant, but I thought brits (and I guess the EU in general) didn't like Blair? Or am I missing something?
    Blair is a well respected figure on the international scene, how do you think he became mid-east peace envoy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    Would it be possible to hold both positions? And if so may it lead to that being a dual hat position? (As in the President of the EU being also put in as the Secretary General of NATO)
    I highly doubt it.

    It would only cause problems, and I think both positions are actually full-time jobs, not something you can do on the side.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elrond View Post
    Personally I think Tony Blair is the best and one of the most likely candidates for EU president (should the treaty of Lisbon pass). He has support from the Pro American countries (for obvious reasons) and support from the French and other Pro integration countries because he would give the role real international weight.
    I don't think so.

    As a war criminal, responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi's, he's a little too controversial to be president.
    I think most countries would prefer someone who isn't such a warmonger and Muslim hater.

    Also, the French will back their own candidate (whoever it will be) like they always do.
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    I hope it won't be Gahr Støre, because he's going to become prime-minister in the future. Not some NATO dude!
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    It's rally hard for me to understand how prime minister can step down and become a NATO secretary, isnt that degrading?

    Radek Sikorski would be perfect for that role, but no some bore from dennmark have to mess it all, but its a safe play, and thats its all about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adamove View Post
    It's rally hard for me to understand how prime minister can step down and become a NATO secretary, isnt that degrading?
    I think you're right.

    NATO Sec. General is mostly a symbolic position as you're required to do anything the US president orders you to do.
    So PM is a much more exciting and powerful position.

    The current NATO Sec. General is a failed politician who never achieved anything on a national level, so he was very excited to get the job.

    I doubt any sitting PM would trade for that position unless he/she is at the very end of his/her term and in no position to win the next elections.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    Looks interesting. An extremely Pro-EU politician and candidate for EU President being given the position of Secretary General of NATO. Would it be possible to hold both positions? And if so may it lead to that being a dual hat position? (As in the President of the EU being also put in as the Secretary General of NATO)
    Not going to happen, it would give too much room for conflicts of interest.

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    How about no EU president,

    and also,

    how about we get a sodding vote!
    The irish were the only ones allowed to vote, they say no.
    so what happens, well the whole thing just carrys on anyway.
    we never had any say in this whatsoever.

    well, welcome to the glorious european union comrades.

    Tony Blair is the best and one of the most likely candidates for EU president
    Those four words together made all the hairs on my back stand on end...

    Not Funny.

    He got forced out in the end, so we got sodding brown, but really who else is there to vote for?
    Cameron? oh yeah. He'll be different, in the sense that he wont be as fat but thats about as far as it goes.
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    article from last year
    A dashing Dane with his own Facebook page has emerged as the favourite to thwart the ambitions of Bertie Ahern and Tony Blair of becoming the first “president of Europe”.

    Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the Liberal Prime Minister of Denmark since 2001, has been described by Silvio Berlusconi, the Prime Minister of Italy, as Europe's best-looking leader.

    He is quietly gathering support as an ideal compromise candidate for the new role of president of the European Council, the forum in which EU leaders make decisions such as setting targets for greenhouse gases and biofuels.

    Mr Blair had been widely described as a front-runner for the job created by the Lisbon treaty, which is due to start on January 1 and also involves representing Europe overseas. Although he has been backed publicly by President Sarkozy of France and may receive a boost from the re-election of his friend Mr Berlusconi, Mr Blair is not thought to have the crucial support of Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor.

    Until the inquiry into payments Mr Ahern received in the 1990s engulfed him, the man who stands down today as Irish Prime Minister was seen as an ideal choice. The long-serving leader even talked openly of wanting the job, something considered extremely risky in top-level EU power-broking.

    Berlin is understood to favour Jean-Claude Juncker, the long-serving Prime Minister of Luxembourg, or Wolfgang Schüssel, the former Austrian Chancellor, but Britain will try to block both men as too federalist.

    Although this will be the first big EU job appointed under qualified-majority voting rules, the successful candidate will need to be acceptable to Germany, France and Britain, the biggest financial backers of the EU.

    This has led to a growing view that the two early favourites, Mr Blair and Mr Juncker, will cancel each other out, clearing the way for a compromise candidate — which leaves Mr Rasmussen in an ideal position.

    “Anders is intelligent, he is liked, he is a centrist and he is keen,” an EU diplomat who knows the Danish leader said. He added that Mr Rasmussen, who has never publicly expressed interest in the EU job, has started learning French, one of the main working languages in Brussels. “Whenever there is a big EU job, the leaders usually look round the table first and only look outside if there is no acceptable candidate,” the diplomat said.

    One of the arguments against Mr Rasmussen is that Denmark opted out of EU policy on justice and defence as well as the euro. He is planning referendums to reverse some or all of these. “The feeling is that, if he pulls them off, he will have brought Denmark closer to the core of Europe,” a diplomat said. “At the end of the day, the question is not how much support you can gather but whether anybody is going to put their foot down. No one will put their foot down over Anders.”

    The candidate will be chosen at the same time as the new post of high representative or “EU foreign minister”, meaning that the sharing of the spoils by political groupings will be important. If Javier Solana, the Spanish social democrat, continues as EU foreign representative and José Manuel Barroso, the centre-right former Portuguese Prime Minister, continues as European Commission President, the stage will be set for a Liberal such as Mr Rasmussen.

    The Dane's favourite quotation is from Theodore Roosevelt: “It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood.”

    This suggests that “Fogh” is prepared to push for a greater prize than Denmark - the chance, in the words of Valéry Giscard-d'Estaing, the former French President, to be Europe's first George Washington.

    CONTINENTAL CONTENDERS

    Anders Fogh Rasmussen 55. Prime Minister of Denmark. Liberal centrist. Consensus builder. Widely acceptable compromise. Times odds: 5-2 favourite

    Tony Blair 55. Middle East peace envoy, adviser to JP Morgan — and former British Prime Minister. Big-hitter well known in Washington. Times odds: 4-1 joint second favourite

    Jean-Claude Juncker 53. Prime Minister of Luxembourg. Christian Democrat. Federalist. Backed by Germany, Belgium, Luxembourg and France. Times odds: 4-1 joint second favourite

    Wolfgang Schüssel 62. Former Austrian Chancellor, with long experience in office. Christian Democrat. Federalist tendencies. Backers: Germany and Austria Times odds: 7-1

    José Manuel Barroso 52. President of European Commission. Centre-right. Admired for Commission role. Times odds: 8-1

    Bertie Ahern 56. Steps down as Irish Prime Minister today. Centrist. Well-liked deal-maker. Under cloud of financial inquiry. Times odds: 12-1

    Aleksander Kwasniewski 53. Former President of Poland. Centre-left; former Communist. Only candidate from “New Europe”. Backed by Poland. Times odds: 14-1

    Angela Merkel 53. Chancellor of Germany — first eastern German to hold post. Centre-right. Widely acceptable — if throws hat in ring. Times odds: 20-1
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3876407.ece

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    Bertie Ahern was a candidate for the EU Presidency until it became apparent that he was a jackass..
    Last edited by IrishHitman; March 22, 2009 at 11:59 AM.

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