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    BAGHDAD (AP) — Ancient ruins aside, two weeks of touring Iraq haven't been as satisfying as Tina Townsend Greaves had hoped.

    Not because of safety fears. To the contrary.

    More because some sights that the Briton wanted to explore during her two week visit have been closed.

    Greaves was one of eight visitors — including Britons and Americans — on the first officially sanctioned tour of Iraq outside the semiautonomous northern Kurdish region since the March 2003 U.S. invasion.

    "Sadly, we did not have the chance to see the museum or any of the monuments because they've been shut," Greaves said at her central Baghdad hotel Saturday morning, preparing to sight-see in other parts of the city. Iraq's restored National Museum, which houses priceless artifacts from the Stone Age through the Babylonian, Assyrian and Islamic periods, reopened to the public on a limited basis last month but was closed Saturday.

    The trip, organized by a British adventure travel agency, occurred without major violence but plenty of hassles as the group navigated the omnipresent checkpoints aimed at preserving the drastic drop in violence over the past 18 months.

    That's not to say Iraq is completely safe. In a reminder of the risks still faced in the fragile nation, a member of the Sons of Iraq was killed Saturday morning when a sticky bomb attached to his car exploded. Iraqi police Maj. Muthanna Khalid said the unidentified Sunni political leader died while driving in the village of Jurf al-Sakhr, about 55 kilometers (35 miles) south of Baghdad.

    Undaunted by security but with dashed hopes for seeing the museum, the tour group set off Saturday for the Ctesiphon Arch, a Persian ruin on the Tigris River near Salman Pak — once one of Iraq's most dangerous towns south of Baghdad.

    The tourists also went to the Green Zone in the heart of Baghdad, where U.S.-led forces and embassies are headquartered, and had their picture taken at the famous Crossed Swords landmark. The arches, depicting two hands holding swords, lead into parade grounds that Saddam Hussein had built after the Iran-Iraq war.

    "I think Iraq is safe for tourists," Greaves said. "But I think maybe a few more of the sites need to be open to tourists because if tourists are going to come to Iraq, there has got to be things for them to see when they get here."

    Violence still plagues Baghdad and other areas in Iraq on a daily basis and explosions sounded near the group's hotel late Friday on the sixth anniversary of the U.S. invasion.

    The group was due to leave Sunday after a two-week visit that included stops in the semiautonomous Kurdish region in northern Iraq, the city of Basra to the south, the ancient ruins of Babylon and Ur and the Shiite shrine cities of Najaf and Karbala.

    The Americans and Britons even visited the site of the destroyed golden domed shrine in Samarra, one of the holiest sites of Shiite Islam, where a 2006 bombing triggered months of sectarian violence.

    Some Westerners have tried to visit Iraq on an unofficial basis but usually have been detained and expelled by the military. Shiite pilgrims from Iran and other regional countries frequently travel to holy sites.

    But the current trip marked the first officially organized and sanctioned visit by Western tourists since 2003.

    Geoff Hann, managing director of Hinterland Travel, which organized the trip, said Iraq is ready to receive tourists — but just barely.

    Getting tourists to come "will take a lot of effort and a lot of hard work," he said.
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    Default Re: So where do you want to go on vacation this summer? How about Iraq?

    Adventuresses?

    Personally, I would go to Erbil and Kerkuk. Kurdistan looks nice.
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    Default Re: So where do you want to go on vacation this summer? How about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by ♥Ŝåƒϊ♥ ٭τЋєąŧї View Post
    Adventuresses?

    Personally, I would go to Erbil and Kerkuk. Kurdistan looks nice.
    Indeed. i would second that. I found the Kurdish people to be friendly and hospitable (i mean the ones ive met here in the west). Its high in the list of places i want to visit one day.

    Furthermore; as a people who have their native country(Kurdistan) split amongst neighboring states; they deserve all the support they can get. And tourism would bring in more foreighn currency and help their economy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjun View Post
    Indeed. i would second that. I found the Kurdish people to be friendly and hospitable (i mean the ones ive met here in the west). Its high in the list of places i want to visit one day.

    Furthermore; as a people who have their native country(Kurdistan) split amongst neighboring states; they deserve all the support they can get. And tourism would bring in more foreighn currency and help their economy.
    Could you be Kurdish by any chance?

    Just joking.

    Well, you're right about the hospitality and friendliness of the Kurds. I've got some good Kurdish friends here in the Netherlands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ♥Ŝåƒϊ♥ ٭τЋєąŧї View Post
    Could you be Kurdish by any chance?

    Just joking.

    Well, you're right about the hospitality and friendliness of the Kurds. I've got some good Kurdish friends here in the Netherlands.

    Lol, nah;

    i was born in Ceylon.
    yeah i had some at the uni too. Really nice people. But then again i love world history/geography so i try to learn about different cultures.
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    Default Re: So where do you want to go on vacation this summer? How about Iraq?

    Kurdistan does look like a nice place to visit.
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    Default Re: So where do you want to go on vacation this summer? How about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    Kurdistan does look like a nice place to visit.
    Maybe you're right. Any statistics?
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    Default Re: So where do you want to go on vacation this summer? How about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    Kurdistan does look like a nice place to visit.
    Excuse my ignorance, but what's to see in Kurdistan?

    I would love to see (what's left of) the ancient artifacts in Iraq, but I think it's just a little too early.
    People who go on holiday to Iraq now obviously do it for the "adventure" not expecting to have every museum open all the time.
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    Default Re: So where do you want to go on vacation this summer? How about Iraq?

    Lots of ancient/medieval cultural stuff(Mosul, Kirkuk in Iraq) and partly beautiful landscape. However, why anyone would go there as a tourist in these days is indeed also mindboggling to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorn777 View Post
    Lots of ancient/medieval cultural stuff(Mosul, Kirkuk in Iraq) and partly beautiful landscape. However, why anyone would go there as a tourist in these days is indeed also mindboggling to me.
    they must be modern day Indiana Jones wannabes
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