Yea, Gods.... Are the Spanish any good?!

[darthbane7]

I've played with the Spanish a couple times and gotten my butt kicked on MP due to their horrible missile/cav (Spain vs. Egypt....Painful) Their only saving grace is the Scutarii, as those Bull Warriors are just too darn expensive.... 1k?!

Is there any hope in the Spanish? Or do I not utilize them properly?

[Doctor]

This should be moved to the multiplayer section, but to answer your question they really do not have a place in multiplayer. They simply do not have the units with reasonable prices to compete on low money and their units are garbage compared to most other units in high money. So their only use is to have fun with them against other barbarians.

[Toern]

well, a spam of 6 balearic g\g and a some 5-6 long shieds g\g cav, can do some mess against lower factions like numidia, thrace, gaul or even dacia or germania, but you will be certainly screwed against other major factions.

[War lord]

I've played with the Spanish a couple times and gotten my butt kicked on MP due to their horrible missile/cav (Spain vs. Egypt....Painful) Their only saving grace is the Scutarii, as those Bull Warriors are just too darn expensive.... 1k?!

Is there any hope in the Spanish? Or do I not utilize them properly?

Iberia are hopeless any decant player can beat them.

[darthbane7]

Hmmm, so I guess my Egypt vs Spain battle was for naught.... Still, I'm playing an SP campaign, and they're ok against barbarians.

[Marion the Cantankerous]

Iberia are hopeless any decant player can beat them.

That means you all can beat War lord with Spain EZ.

[SonOfAlexander]

They're a challenge... The bull warriors, scutarii and longshield cavalry are all good. You're right about price, so mass waves of Scutarii, being very similar to the legions but a bit lighter and much cheaper are a good way to go - the mix of troops makes a Spanish campaign on vanilla goof fun

[|Sith| Max]

I can definately use em. this is a minor faction that isnt built for melee combat. one case where ya actually have to skirmish and get fast moving cav and balearic slins. maybe one scutarii as missile fodder... yeh i can see em beating other barb factions on 12.5 CWB.

[Zekey]

I can definately use em. this is a minor faction that isnt built for melee combat. one case where ya actually have to skirmish and get fast moving cav and balearic slins. maybe one scutarii as missile fodder... yeh i can see em beating other barb factions on 12.5 CWB.

A scutarii as missle fodder?!?!?

Use a peasent or peltast for that. Scutarii are almost worthless. Bull warriors are too expensive. Naked fanatics are the best inf to be using on low money for Spain. They are much better at hand to hand then scutarii. Spain can only handle other bad factions, greece, and on VERY rare occasions carthage.

[|Sith| Max]

I sometimes win? Or they do cute like camping a hill which is kind of sad against Spain. Would you prefer we ban Thrace, Dacia, Gaul, and Spain since they are clearly not comparable to Rome, Seleucid, Egypt, and Macedon in those lovely cwb matches?

Toern is right at least try to be a challenge. i mean if everyone would do this every game would be PoM VS Jomen. why do you think i kick people when they pick gaul. that is one faction which was clearly built for observing and not for combat.

A scutarii as missle fodder?!?!?

Use a peasent or peltast for that. Scutarii are almost worthless. Bull warriors are too expensive. Naked fanatics are the best inf to be using on low money for Spain. They are much better at hand to hand then scutarii. Spain can only handle other bad factions, greece, and on VERY rare occasions carthage.

exactly. since Scutarii are worthless and still cheap with a reasonable defense they make stronger missile fodder with better morale.

[Zekey]

They arn't as cheap as peltasts though. They are a couple hundred more denarii I think. Why would you need morale for a missle fodder anyway? Getting rid of a missle fodder early on is usually a good thing so that it doesn't route later on while your other inf is fighting and make them "sad to see friends routing."

A heated debate on missle fodder, very strange.

[darthbane7]

Yeah... but not main-line factions like Rome or Egypt or Seleucids.... Mainly because the Bull Warriors are so darn expensive, they limit my use of them and the fact that the best cav the Spanish can field only have 9 attck, and 13 def. Put that up against praetorians/catas/scythed chariots and they will DIE.

Yeah, I've gotten mixed thoughts on the Spanish on this post.... I would use them if, in a barb. faction only game, Germania/Thrace/Scythia were already gone.

Gaul's foresters are great and all.... but they cost more than catas! (A scary thought, because, in a no rules game, just for fun, I bought almost all foresters.... the other guy brought all catas... I got wiped out)

Back onto topic. I only like Scutarii, and use them as low quality, but cheap, Roman legions (pre-marian). In order to make Spain a viable faction to use, one must download a mod (EB, RS, RTR, XGM, etc).

[|Sith| Max]

what would possess one to use spain against a regular or major faction

[Marion the Cantankerous]

Same reason why one would use an all premartian reform army: a challenge and a test.

(Real reason: TO SEE WHO HAS THE BIGGEST E-BALLS and laugh in the face of an experienced opponent if you win. Sure anyone can win with the best of armies, but winning with the worst kinds is hilarity and better than winning a regular game anyway.)

[Toern]

(Real reason: TO SEE WHO HAS THE BIGGEST E-BALLS and laugh in the face of an experienced opponent if you win. Sure anyone can win with the best of armies, but winning with the worst kinds is hilarity and better than winning a regular game anyway.)

Have you thinked if your opponent will have a challenge??
It is a game when he was nothing to win, if he wins, "i was playing with my spain, i had no chances", or if he wins "ahah i beated u with spain" see what i mean.
I personnally hate when i receive clanners challenges, and then they do like that, just hunting for a screen to show to their buddies.

[Marion the Cantankerous]

Have you thinked if your opponent will have a challenge??

I sometimes win? Or they do cute like camping a hill which is kind of sad against Spain. Would you prefer we ban Thrace, Dacia, Gaul, and Spain since they are clearly not comparable to Rome, Seleucid, Egypt, and Macedon in those lovely cwb matches?

[Barry]

So a general consensus has been made, Spain are useless on MP. What about SP, this is in the SP forum afterall.

[darthbane7]

Erm.... their economy/religious temples and the fact that they have two bigger factions on their backs means, when the computer is playing as them they get killed. When I'm playing as them on H/H, I usually lose a crap load of soldiers in every battle, mainly because I'm a hammer & anvil guy... and Spain is not that kind of faction (crappy cav).

[Muagan_ra]

I don't know what you're talking about; Spain have excellent cavalry. Long Shield Cavalry are quite possibly the best horsemen available, to any faction. Solid, powerful, economical.

[MaceMan]

I don't know what you're talking about; Spain have excellent cavalry. Long Shield Cavalry are quite possibly the best horsemen available, to any faction. Solid, powerful, economical.

Nah mate, I honestly think Equites are the best horsemen in the game, hands down. Though Long Shields are very powerful too, I'll give you that. Who needs those crappy Cataphracts, anyways?