The senate is also considering legislation aptly named "Serve america act"
which talks about "Youth engagement Zones"
The Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act, known as the GIVE Act, was passed yesterday by a 321-105 margin and now goes to the Senate.
So this bill was passed in the house yesterday, which i said something like this would come when rahm emmanuel was so close to obama, hes been wanting national service for years, this cant be good, were getting closer and closer to obama youth brigades.
So under section 6104 of the bill, entitled “Duties,” in subsection B6, the legislation states that a commission will be set up to investigate, “Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.”
Section 120 of the bill also discusses the “Youth Engagement Zone Program” and states that “service learning” will be “a mandatory part of the curriculum in all of the secondary schools served by the local educational agency.”
“The legislation, slated to cost $6 billion over five years, would create 175,000 “new service opportunities” under AmeriCorps, bringing the number of participants in the national volunteer program to 250,000. It would also create additional “corps” to expand the reach of volunteerism into new sectors, including a Clean Energy Corps, Education Corps, Healthy Futures Corps and Veterans Service Corps, and it expands the National Civilian Community Corps to focus on additional areas like disaster relief and energy conservation,”
Your thoughts ? Anyone else find this is a little wierd ? churns my stomach how congress can pass such an act, and if you think its crazy, you get what you vote for IMO, he said he wanted this back in july ::
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It'd hardly be the first time Congress investigated whether something controversial could be done. Chill. Save your panic for when they try to pass the Service Act itself.
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13th Amendment:
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
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Originally Posted by Pacifist Hummingbird
13th Amendment:
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Dammit to hell... this may not be the first Amendment that 0bama breaks...
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Originally Posted by Gaidin
and yet payment wasnt required. key word.
you'd have a better argument ing about the draft.
No the keyword is "consent." Compensation offered or paid is irrelevant if their is no consent.
The creation and provisioning of an army is provided for in the Constitution, ergo it is not contradictory with the 13th amendment. Soldiers can be forced to serve without pay if the Congress so deemed it.
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Originally Posted by Pacifist Hummingbird
No the keyword is "consent." Compensation offered or paid is irrelevant if their is no consent.
The creation and provisioning of an army is provided for in the Constitution, ergo it is not contradictory with the 13th amendment. Soldiers can be forced to serve without pay if the Congress so deemed it.
Explain why no lawyer was bright enough to bring up the 13th amendment when the draft was in place if consent is so utterly relevant to the idea. Payment may not be central to the determination, but damned if consent has much of anything to do with it.
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Originally Posted by justicar5
so the conscript atmy was illegal?
Good lord can you not read?
Originally Posted by Me
The creation and provisioning of an army is provided for in the Constitution, ergo it is not contradictory with the 13th amendment. Soldiers can be forced to serve without pay if the Congress so deemed it.
Originally Posted by Me Again
The 13th amendment does not overturn the Constitutionally granted power of the Congress to create an army in whatever manner it so pleases.
Basically the Constitution makes this judgement. No slavery unless that slavery is for the purpose of manning the armed forces.
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Originally Posted by Pacifist Hummingbird
Student are not being forced to serve as they perform no labor from which income or production is derived.
Untrue as schools (and thus the schools staff) get more money from Students attending and also based on test scores. This is the whole reason school has gone from actually being about learning to all being about scores.
also you may wish to remove the reference to Fellatio as it might be taken as an insult (not that it probably will) but who knows with the things people are getting modded for..
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Originally Posted by IrishHitman
That's sort of contradictory to your signature quote from Jefferson, isn't it?
no, and you know it isn't. "education" doesn't HAVE to mean forced public schooling run by the government...which happens to be a plank of the communist manifesto
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Originally Posted by Pacifist Hummingbird
ing about the draft.
