SPQR mod, exhausting

[RS Fanboy]

Started a campaign, finally beat hannibal lol and started fighting the Gauls. So much fun until the 20th battle (really, 20 battles and they wont give up)and the Gauls just keep sending armies at me. Then I notice a GERMAN army besieging mediolanum and I said holddddddd on a minute i gotta hit the forums RIGHT NAW!. Then I noticed I was at war with every nation in the world!!! I was like no wonder!

So let me get to the point I guess, do the Gauls run out of money and eventually get tired of being defeated and.... most importantly declare peace? because I also noticed I am at war with every single faction out there and jeez I really wonder if its a bug because I dont remember Rome being at war with the planet so early.

[Ejergard]

If you try to ignore the Gauls, they will just keep coming. They have enough territories from the start (and are set for expansion) to keep armies coming for you forever. There's alot of answers in these forums, and I don't wanna give any gamebreaking info, but let me just say that different factions behave differently, and Gaul and Germania are two of the more aggressive ones!

[RS Fanboy]

I dont mind aggressive but man I did beat about 20 of their stacks!!! lol I remember in other SPQR version they did allow me to relax and concentrate on Carthage.

[Ejergard]

Well, I let Gauls be for a long time, and its 176bc for me now. In the past few 3 years they have been quite reluctant to attacking, but I think it is a combination of me showing a stronger presence in my northern provinces, and that I have taken Darantasia, which gives an income similar to Arretium! One of the richest mining cities there are!
Gauls has taken some provinces from Germania, so I could take Darantasia safely without making Germania attack me.

My map looks something like this:

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Sidenote: I'm currently invading the Numidian provinces of Carthage, aswell as the Gallic provinces to the east of Mediolanium. I'm currently openly at war with Gauls, Greeks and Carthage.

[Samariten]

Hehe..Only 20 stacks of gauls i cant count my battles against the gauls. You have to be as aggresive as they are and push them back. Focus on gaul and take Darantasia as Ejergard has. Then you might get a relaxed year or two.

[cnaeus]

try positioning a full legion on every pass through the alps and proper garissons in all the northern cities. that way they wont attack so often because they need too build up more armies before they are confident enough too take you on. also it might help opening a second front with them in iberia(not tthat you'll fight them less that way but atleast you'll take some pressure of northern italy so that those cities dont get drained from there population)

hope it helps

cnaeus,

[Hesus de bodemloze]

Gauls will slow down when you have like 4 legions protecting the border, launch an invasion on Iberian shores this will open up a second front for them and there steam roll will slow down.

You probably triggerd the germans to attack you when you took Darantasia or Patavium. Having a city that borders next to germania will trigger them to attack you.

You should field like 4 legions to pratect Italia from invading gauls and 6 legions to invade Iberia, train more if you think you will need them. Also check the post your empire thread you will finde some interesting stuff about other players campaigns that might help you.

[S u l l a]

Started a campaign, finally beat hannibal lol and started fighting the Gauls. So much fun until the 20th battle (really, 20 battles and they wont give up)and the Gauls just keep sending armies at me. Then I notice a GERMAN army besieging mediolanum and I said holddddddd on a minute i gotta hit the forums RIGHT NAW!. Then I noticed I was at war with every nation in the world!!! I was like no wonder!

So let me get to the point I guess, do the Gauls run out of money and eventually get tired of being defeated and.... most importantly declare peace? because I also noticed I am at war with every single faction out there and jeez I really wonder if its a bug because I dont remember Rome being at war with the planet so early.

Welcome to SPQR! I got bad news for you my friend, the game is easy in the beginning and gets harder the longer you play. If you are after a nice and easy campaign then I suggest RTR or RS.

SPQR is very good challenge for veteran players and adds an extra dimension with logistics if following the house rules.

Attached some pictures to illustrate.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...23#post4297123

Have fun!

[chaney]

Welcome to SPQR! I got bad news for you my friend, the game is easy in the beginning and gets harder the longer you play. If you are after a nice and easy campaign then I suggest RTR or RS.

Eh sorry but RS is quite challenging if you let the AI build up ! So it would be nice if you retract that comment about another teams work

[S u l l a]

Eh sorry but RS is quite challenging if you let the AI build up ! So it would be nice if you retract that comment about another teams work

RS is a very good mod! You are right, my comment was wrong - the two mods are different and have their own nice characteristics. I have not seen the aggressive AI in RS in the same sense as in SPQR though. And I have all the respect for the RS mode team. In fact I am looking forward to 2.0

[czePowerslave]

Eh sorry but RS is quite challenging if you let the AI build up ! So it would be nice if you retract that comment about another teams work

Is not actually. Compared to SPQR its very easy no matter what. While played as stated, this mod is VERY tough.

on original posters questions - Gauls as any other nations will NEVER declare peace. But there are some nifty guides on how to survive the turns and stuff like that. Point is, that you need to basically push them to more defendable positions, and invade Spain to relieve yourself. AI gets dizzy and you get more separate frontiers and can take cities slowly. Once they lose couple cities, their steam is prettty much gone. Trust me, I have about 120 battles with them

[S u l l a]

Is not actually. Compared to SPQR its very easy no matter what. While played as stated, this mod is VERY tough.

on original posters questions - Gauls as any other nations will NEVER declare peace. But there are some nifty guides on how to survive the turns and stuff like that. Point is, that you need to basically push them to more defendable positions, and invade Spain to relieve yourself. AI gets dizzy and you get more separate frontiers and can take cities slowly. Once they lose couple cities, their steam is prettty much gone. Trust me, I have about 120 battles with them

The guy had never played SPQR ...

[chaney]

Right once thats cleared up ! I havent played SPQR so I would'nt know personally but as you say they each have their own special characteristics

[Finch]

you should try it

[Jayho74]

Roma Surrectum is in no way as challenging as SPQR mod.

That said, i preffer RS by a very slim margin b/c i like the build options and how roads realistically cost 6k etc. I can also get to my numbered legions in a reasonable time, unlike SPQR (i am forced to fight 50 defensive battles myself to defend rome or i loose witch makes time crawl by slowly, (been playing about a week on same game and still no reforms).

RS very quickly is ez pie, 0 turn recruitment vs 1 enemy = a nice siege battle on there turf but almost no chance your survival as a nation will ever be tested.

SPQR is the only mod so far with the true feeling of total war... by that i mean.. i have lost 5 legions in the defense of the gaulic border, 8 legions finally beating back the cunning hannable, 3 lost in wars of attrition with dacia and germania and another 2 legions lost to the greeks and those cursed spartans. Very soon you start to realize Rome is nearly out of blood, if i cannot sue for piece very very soon i will be out of men of fighting age. RS needs more scripts or something b/c i waited the alotted 25 - 30 turns to let the ai build up strength but all they did was attrition each other, most country's still had the same boarders they started with 60 turns ago.

So, yeah, in RS you have a much easier time holding your borders. RS = 400k banked by 50 turns = 100 legions ez vs 1 enemy at a time sending nice stacks at you yes.. but nothing like SPQR .. SPQR = desperate struggle for survival with odds against you 300k persians vs rome at Thermopolye.

[el_dude]

Yeah i've played RS as well, and I must say RS is not even close to being as challenging as SPQR. Like Jayho said, you never feel desperate playing RS. It's a nice, well-paced campaign, and you can be sure that you will never be the one getting wiped out. This is not a knock on RS. I like being able to have some breathing room, build up my cities at my leisure, and enjoy some of the beautiful skins the team made.

But when I want a challenge, I come back to SPQR. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, in RS or any other mod, comes remotely close to that feeling of fighting tooth and nail for survival that you get from SPQR. Hell, even once you're strong enough to start expanding, SPQR is nail-bitingly challenging. I've had countless offensives stalled and stopped dead in their tracks due to the enemy's overwhelming response to being invaded. This is the first mod I've played where you actually need to plan out your offensives in advance, or you will fail. I've even had a couple wars with Macedonia and Egypt where my offensives failed miserably, and the enemy began to turn the tide on me! You have to be a bit of a masochist to play this mod, but if you want challenging gameplay and incredible, epic battles, there is nothing out there that can match SPQR.

[Nano_Magnus]

Yeah i've played RS as well, and I must say RS is not even close to being as challenging as SPQR. Like Jayho said, you never feel desperate playing RS. It's a nice, well-paced campaign, and you can be sure that you will never be the one getting wiped out. This is not a knock on RS. I like being able to have some breathing room, build up my cities at my leisure, and enjoy some of the beautiful skins the team made.

But when I want a challenge, I come back to SPQR. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, in RS or any other mod, comes remotely close to that feeling of fighting tooth and nail for survival that you get from SPQR. Hell, even once you're strong enough to start expanding, SPQR is nail-bitingly challenging. I've had countless offensives stalled and stopped dead in their tracks due to the enemy's overwhelming response to being invaded. This is the first mod I've played where you actually need to plan out your offensives in advance, or you will fail. I've even had a couple wars with Macedonia and Egypt where my offensives failed miserably, and the enemy began to turn the tide on me! You have to be a bit of a masochist to play this mod, but if you want challenging gameplay and incredible, epic battles, there is nothing out there that can match SPQR.

I agree, i usually play both mods, but only on SPQR i'm forced to take some resting periods :s cause it's really exausting, and i only continue my campaign when im ready to go back to hell I usually take a rest of 15 or 20 days after an offensive campaign after my litle vacation im ready to take defensive positions

SPQR it's my favourite game cause i can play it for mont's and always to far from the goal.

[Lucius_Galba]

Yeah i've played RS as well, and I must say RS is not even close to being as challenging as SPQR. Like Jayho said, you never feel desperate playing RS. It's a nice, well-paced campaign, and you can be sure that you will never be the one getting wiped out. This is not a knock on RS. I like being able to have some breathing room, build up my cities at my leisure, and enjoy some of the beautiful skins the team made.

But when I want a challenge, I come back to SPQR. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, in RS or any other mod, comes remotely close to that feeling of fighting tooth and nail for survival that you get from SPQR. Hell, even once you're strong enough to start expanding, SPQR is nail-bitingly challenging. I've had countless offensives stalled and stopped dead in their tracks due to the enemy's overwhelming response to being invaded. This is the first mod I've played where you actually need to plan out your offensives in advance, or you will fail. I've even had a couple wars with Macedonia and Egypt where my offensives failed miserably, and the enemy began to turn the tide on me! You have to be a bit of a masochist to play this mod, but if you want challenging gameplay and incredible, epic battles, there is nothing out there that can match SPQR.

I think el_dude summed up this mod perfectly. Until recently i've been playing alot of RS, I rank it very highly and really enjoyed it. But as you say i've never been despirate, I remember undertaking a huge slogging match with Carthage over it's African provinces. It wasn't because their armies where overly threatening me, its was the simple fact that I couldn't get enough manpower in position initially to drive them back. I eventually did manage this, but if this had been SPQR, i would probably have been back in Italia stunned wondering what the hell had just happened. Thats the magic of this mod

LG

[TITANAS84]

I think the mod have historical view of this age.first gauls have larger armies than romans and carthage win early battles.the problem is after win this battles(10 turns).i change the turn recruitment for me and others.1 turn now for powerfull unit and 0 for warband,hoplites and others common unit.the battles are more historical(many untrained of 120 size unit against romans).the only bad of this mod is the morale of armies because is high,barbarians broke very hard.

[Bob Doad]

ok so i downloaded patch v1.3 and 1.5 and then when i downloaded Spqr Total War from a website i couldn't find it on my desktop and RTW stayed the same. can anyone help me?