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    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Veterans groups are warning President Barack Obama against going ahead with a possible administration move to charge veterans' private health care for service-related injuries.
    Veterans groups say it's "wholly unacceptable" to charge their private insurance for service injuries.

    Veterans groups say it's "wholly unacceptable" to charge their private insurance for service injuries.

    In a letter sent by 11 of the most prominent veterans organizations, the groups warned that the idea "is wholly unacceptable and a total abrogation of our government's moral and legal responsibility to the men and women who have sacrificed so much."

    CNN obtained a copy of the letter sent to the White House last Friday by groups including The American Legion, Disabled American Veterans, Military Order of the Purple Heart, Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States, and Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America. Read the letter (PDF)

    A White House spokesman would neither confirm nor deny the option is being considered.

    "The details of specific proposals will be transmitted with the full submission in April. The president has made it clear that meeting the needs of veterans is one of his priorities, and as a result has requested an 11 percent increase in discretionary funding for 2010, and the administration is actively working with the veterans community to ensure we get the details of this budget right," said White House spokesman Nick Shapiro.

    In the letter, the groups said they have been told by sources on Capitol Hill and at the VA that the idea under consideration would allow the Department of Veterans Affairs to bill health insurance for a treatment of a disability or injury that was a result of military service.
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    The argument for the proposal is that it frees up money for the VA by charging the private insurers, allowing the VA to spend on more services, said Joe Violante, legislative director for Disabled American Veterans, who opposes the idea. While there could be savings, Violante warned it also could lead to an increase in premiums for veterans with private coverage.

    ""We cannot and would not agree to any proposal that would expand this concept any further," the heads of the 11 groups wrote in the letter.

    "While we understand the fiscal difficulties this country faces right now, placing the burden of those fiscal problems on the men and women who have already sacrificed a great deal for this country is unconscionable."

    Currently, veterans' private insurance is only charged when they receive health care from the VA for medical issues that are not related to service injuries, like getting the flu.

    Charging for service-related injuries would violate "a sacred trust," said Veterans of Foreign Wars spokesman Joe Davis. Davis said the move would risk private health care for veterans and their families by potentially maxing out benefits paying for costly war injury treatments.

    It could also make it harder for veterans to get private insurance if the companies decide to reject them for pre-existing conditions, rather than be billed for service-connected injuries, Davis said.

    "This seems like bad politics and bad policy," said IAVA Policy Director Vanessa Williamson, noting that every veterans group opposes it and warns it will adversely affect veterans. "I don't see this as a tenable option."

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    Default Re: Obama:Vets object to billing private insurance for service injuries

    The context of this article(of which you don't link) would make a lot more sense if you include the other article discussing where the idea was tossed out to see what the reaction was. This of course, is not blatantly said in the article, but it is common. Of course, the key thing to note is that no proposal was ever actually sent anywhere, and this is a common strategy in any administration to see what the reaction would be to anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    The context of this article(of which you don't link) would make a lot more sense if you include the other article discussing where the idea was tossed out to see what the reaction was. This of course, is not blatantly said in the article, but it is common. Of course, the key thing to note is that no proposal was ever actually sent anywhere, and this is a common strategy in any administration to see what the reaction would be to anything.

    In otherwords, he'd do if he thought he could get away with it. Any person with a brain cell could figure out this wasn't going to fly. Ergo, Obama isn't very smart.

    Well actually he is only as smart as his teleprompter.

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    Default Re: Obama:Vets object to billing private insurance for service injuries

    What the hell, 0bama... our soldiers deserve free health care when they are wounded...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    What the hell, 0bama... our soldiers deserve free health care when they are wounded...
    Even then you only get it if you are severely wounded. I've been wounded and when I get out of the Marine Corps I won't get crap cause I have no serious or long last injuries that disable me in way. That's fine by me too since I'm able to make my own way and my capabilities haven't been hindered. But people should understand that not everyone with a purple heart gets free health care etc.

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    Yeah, I'm going to second with Neo.


    Obuma stop being such a money monger.

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    Default Re: Obama:Vets object to billing private insurance for service injuries

    What the hell, 0bama... our soldiers deserve free health care when they are wounded...
    You have it all wrong. See only civilians deserve free health care, not military members. In fact military members, along with business owners, are going to give up their whole paycheck to pay for the healthcare civilians recieve for free.

    Good job Obama. What a ****ing moron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    You have it all wrong. See only civilians deserve free health care, not military members. In fact military members, along with business owners, are going to give up their whole paycheck to pay for the healthcare civilians recieve for free.

    Good job Obama. What a ****ing moron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    You have it all wrong. See only civilians deserve free health care, not military members. In fact military members, along with business owners, are going to give up their whole paycheck to pay for the healthcare civilians recieve for free.

    Good job Obama. What a ****ing moron.
    Don't forget that Illegals get free health care, or that doc goes to jail.
    Also, don't forget that if you are irresponsible and never pay your bills, Obama will steal other people's money and give it to you.

    But, if you joined the military, fought in a war and were injured, he will tell you to pay for yourself with private health insurance. WHICH no health insurance provider will allow you to get on if you're a vet who has existing injuries in the first place.

    BUT! If you are a POS who does nothing to insure themselves or their family and your a druggie and a dropout also (dont forget about them) you will get ......
    UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE.

    This bastard ran on a platforms saying he wanted ALL Americans to have free health care, that private insurance was terrible and ignores people.
    THEN he tells our war vets to piss off and go get some private insurance.

    Anybody else notice the absolute hypocrisy in that?

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    Default Re: Obama:Vets object to billing private insurance for service injuries

    You're lucky I like you...


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    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    You're lucky I like you...

    Hehe, oh I actually agree with what you said.
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    ****ing tricky libertarians...

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    Well private insurances have driven costs out the roof and are very unfair. I think rather that we need less regulation of healthcare but more regulation of insurance.

    Obama's doing the opposite of what is necessary to slash costs and help out those struggling to get healthcare. I do think healthcare should be a right, just not payed for tax-payers.
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    Default Re: Obama:Vets object to billing private insurance for service injuries

    Anybody else notice the absolute hypocrisy in that?
    Of course. But what do you expect from Ol' Barrack. Everything he's done so far has been full of hypocrisy. Hell look at Geitner the tax dodger or the "stimulus" (pork) bill. Or the lobbyists he appointed after promising "No more lobbyists in Washington". Or the way he hooked up high level Dems as soon as he got elected. Or when he lied about his relationship with Bladjovich.

    We have a ****ing dolt in the White House, but I still think we'll survive.

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    By the way, we already pay a ****load for our health care. We do pay for our own care already, TRIcare, read up.

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    Funny how uninformed people think we are somehow exempt from taxes/healthcare. Like when people say US military members are getting checks from the tax payers. They just ignore the fact that we ARE taxpayers.
    Last edited by s.rwitt; March 19, 2009 at 02:13 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    Funny how uninformed people think we are somehow exempt from taxes/healthcare. Like when people say US military members are getting checks from the tax payers. They just ignore the fact that we ARE taxpayers.
    The same idiots believe their income taxes pay for defense.

    But hey, they're the same types who will complain about the school system not teaching their kids to read, but they'll never go to a PTA meeting or offer their volunteer services to help the over taxed (yeah, a pun) teacher in the classroom.

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    So guys where is this policy you are all whining about?
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    He says he backed down. But since he brought up the issue and brought in the leader of the American Legion, AND told the VA to begin to work out the issue, then....
    Obviously President Obama does have his policy to screw injured veterans written down in a bill already. He's just waiting for another huge 1,000 plus page bill to stick it into. Like with today's news where the democrats allowed AIG to have their bonuses (actually, steal personally millions from tax payers) put in their omnibus stimulus bill.

    Now he (POTUS) says he's backed down. This was due to huge outrage from the entire country, from both sides of the political spectrum. That's how democracy works, we tell our leaders to shut the hell up when we all agree they're wrong.

    Got it gaidin? You really do need to get off that partisan track, it will rot your mind worse than cable news laced with radiation.

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    Okay, I understand why this is a bad idea.

    But how in holy hell could this be a good idea? Whose interests does this further? Who benefits from this?

    Dare I ask?

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