Culture for recruitment

**cux47** · March 18, 2009, 09:48 AM

I have an idea, I'm not sure if it can present in the game
so I just post it here....

I take Bactria for example, for it has 3 different cultures:Eastern Native, Eastern Greek and Nomadic culture in a region(I made it up just for example). So if the Eastern Greek culture is the highest in this city, let's say 70%, and the Eastern Native culture has the other 30% people.

Then you can recruit most of greek fighting-style units but less eastern units like archer, skirmishers and eastern meduim cavarly. So the more you have this culture in the region, the more units based on this culture you can recruit from the city. If you just have 10% Eastern Greek in a city , then you only can have one greek unit in the units pool, even it's a pandodapoi phalangitai.

Plus if it combined with the muti-goverment system in EB I , I think it will have much more fun and create more realistic army in the game.

**John-117** · March 18, 2009, 10:02 AM

that actually sounds like a very good replacement for the religion system in m2. good job

**Smeel** · March 18, 2009, 11:16 AM

Actually I think I've read somewhere that they will use the M2tw religion as something entirely different, maybe like cultures as you described

The Britannia mini campaign from Kingdoms used it a similar system I think.

**cux47** · March 19, 2009, 05:39 AM

Yes, it should based on the culture systerm in Britannia campaign of the Kingdom Expansion

hopfully it could be done

**Shadowwalker** · March 19, 2009, 11:09 AM

Since I have already seen this in some actually released M2TW mods I think it can be implemented.
Would like that system too.

**SigniferOne** · March 19, 2009, 11:57 PM

I'm sure you've seen it in our mod

**Space Voyager** · March 20, 2009, 02:38 AM

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**SigniferOne** · March 20, 2009, 07:55 AM

No, sorry didn't mean that. The more new mods for M2TW the better.

**Space Voyager** · March 20, 2009, 08:38 AM

I was kidding and I more than agree.

**delra** · March 20, 2009, 09:08 PM

It would require having three different building trees so a player can pick a direction he is heading towards with a city. I doubt there's space for that.

**Irishmafia2020** · March 21, 2009, 12:42 AM

I actually suggested this same use for "culture" on the "org" forum last year. The response was polite, but the modders suggested that they have a different plan for religion altogether. I am keeping an open mind, since EB 1 is extremely well done in its finished incarnation...

**delra** · March 21, 2009, 03:03 AM

One thing is certain, EB team have a ton of new tools to complicate our lives as rulers.

I guess that with culture/religion/whatever-based AOR we can for example forget Baktria being able to recruit two dozens of different units of Indian, Steppe, Iranian and Greek origin, elites from all of them included.

On the other hand it will at the same time be possible to spread your own factional AOR across the map and for example Hellenize far away places so hoplites and phalanxes start coming from their barracks as soon as the society converts to the right culture.

I hope Broken Crescent 1.5 gets released soon. It will have a very advanced religion and culture based AOR that can serve as a good example of how flexible M2TW engine is in that matter.

**cux47** · March 21, 2009, 05:04 AM

Originally Posted by delra

On the other hand it will at the same time be possible to spread your own factional AOR across the map and for example Hellenize far away places so hoplites and phalanxes start coming from their barracks as soon as the society converts to the right culture.

I think it's what we do for creating the "new history' of our own based on the reality.

the culture converting could be a long-expensive progress, if you can successfully change an Asia city into a Roman settlement, then of course you can get roman troops from there, like gtanted citizenship to those people.

But mine is just a suggestion, if the EB team have other ways, I'm sure it would be much better then this.

Always supporting you guys, can't wait for playing it

**hefa** · May 13, 2009, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by cux47

I think it's what we do for creating the "new history' of our own based on the reality.

the culture converting could be a long-expensive progress, if you can successfully change an Asia city into a Roman settlement, then of course you can get roman troops from there, like gtanted citizenship to those people.

But mine is just a suggestion, if the EB team have other ways, I'm sure it would be much better then this.

Always supporting you guys, can't wait for playing it

I agree 100 percent. EB is a great mod absolutely no doubt, but it has one minor flaw until now. Cultures are far to static. This is due to the limitations of RTW. With MTWII one can circumvent this problem. When the game starts hellenistic factions can recruit greek style troops in egypt, syria, iran and so forth. But theses regions were conquered by Alexander only 50 years ago. Since the game last 300 years imagine what could happen. An AoR based on cultures could perfectely emulate such an evolution. The 'conversion rates' have to be much much slower than in vanilla though.

**Smeel** · May 13, 2009, 12:02 PM

Unfortunetly, the lowest conversion rate able is 1%. This means you could hellenize a province from 0 to 100 % in 100 turns, meaning 25 years in the game, no? maybe scripting could do something?

**hefa** · May 13, 2009, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Smeel

Unfortunetly, the lowest conversion rate able is 1%. This means you could hellenize a province from 0 to 100 % in 100 turns, meaning 25 years in the game, no? maybe scripting could do something?

I'm afraid you are right. It explains at least the ridiculously fast conversion rate in MTWII and the fact that no Mod changed this stupid behaviour. Only in Chivalry II they introduced buildings with a permanent conversion to the default religion. It works but it is only a tweak, something I don't like.

The problem however, with the static cultures remains. It would be a pity to let the chance slip away. The religion systems looks so suitable to solve that problem. Anyway, I have the feeling the EB team is already some steps ahead of our considerations and evetually came up with something smarter. Let's hope for the best.