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    Khatami has dropped out, but the reformers may be in the lead now.


    Iran's former president has withdrawn from the forthcoming presidential election, saying he does not want to split the pro-reform vote.

    Mohammad Khatami announced his decision in a statement on Monday.

    He served as president between 1997 and 2005, until term-limits prevented him from standing for re-election

    "I'm pulling out of the election on the basis of a moral obligation and to avoid scattering the votes so that ... change and improvement will be more easily achieved and with less cost," Khatami's statement said.

    Reformists, who favour improving ties with the West and liberalising Iran's conservative government, hope to unseat Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the current president, in elections on June 12.

    Multiple candidates

    Khatami withdrew after Mir Hossein Mousavi, a former prime minister, joined the presidential race last week.

    He expressed his support for Mousavi, who is now seen as the leading reformist candidate.

    Khatami said Mousavi had a better chance than him of siphoning off conservatives' votes, and has the necessary qualifications to bring change to the country.

    "He can potentially win people's votes and get elected provided we act with wisdom and realism," Khatami said.

    Mousavi managed the country during the 1980-88 war with Iraq.

    Hasan Abu Nimah, director of the Royal Institute for Inter-Faith Studies in Amman and former ambassador to the UN, told Al Jazeera that many reformists had put much hope into Khatami's candidacy.

    "He was a very a familiar face for the international community and for that reason, many people had revived their hopes that coming back to the office, he would provide an opportunity for Iran to sort out its problems with the Western world," Abu Nimah said.

    "We were all surprised that he decided to withdraw, but the other candidate, Mousavi, belongs to the same reformist school and, according to reports, he would be even better in addressing the economic issues which are pressing issues in Iran."

    Reformists cautioned

    Mehdi Karroubi, a former parliament speaker and the other reformist candidate in the race, has repeatedly said he would not drop out regardless of who else is running, but his party was meeting on Monday to assess the situation.

    Mohammad Ali Abtahi, the former reformist vice-president, has cautioned that competition among reformists would pave the way for a second Ahmadinejad term.

    "We lost the previous election [2005] because of multiple candidates. And Iran has suffered so much" as a result, he said. "This is a historic opportunity that must not be lost."

    During his presidency, Khatami pushed for improved relations with the West, but many of his reforms were stopped through bodies led by religious leaders that have powers over the government under Iran's Islamic system.

    Some reformists were worried that his candidacy would galvanise the conservatives, who strongly dislike Khatami because they believe he aims to fundamentally change the nature of Iran.

    Khatami is particularly popular among young Iranians.

    Waning popularity

    Ahmadinejad is so far the only leading conservative to let it be known that he will stand.

    But he has lost some popularity because of his handling of the country's faltering economy and other issues.

    The result of June's vote could depend on whether Ahmadinejad keeps the support of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran's supreme leader.

    Regardless of the outcome of the election, any final decisions on policy in Iran are made by Khamenei, not the president.
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    We'll have to see how the election goes. Khatami has my respect for putting his countries welfare before his own. More then I can say for any American politician.
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    I'm not much happy about this. I don't like Mir Hossein Moosavi. Khatami was a better candidate. Moosavi is of course better than Ahmadinejad and the good thing is he doesn't have a good relation with Khamenei, current supreme leader. But I think the thirst of power has blinded him. He didn't even consult with Khatami about his decision in taking part in the election. I think Khatami is really disappointed at him. However, I wish Moosavi good luck. But he is not much known or popular between the youth as Khatami. So his chance to success is less than Khatami.

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    Mousavi 'managed the country during the Iran-Iraq war'?

    What does that mean, exactly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    Mousavi 'managed the country during the Iran-Iraq war'?

    What does that mean, exactly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    Mousavi 'managed the country during the Iran-Iraq war'?

    What does that mean, exactly?
    He was prime minister. In that time, Iran had a supreme leader, president and a prime minister. President was just a formal position that time and prime minister was the main power in controling the country. Mousavi successfully controlled the economical crisis caused by war.

    However, Mousavi had a quarrel with the president of the time, Ayyatollah Khamenei, which is supreme leader today. But Khomeini died and after his death, they changed the constitutional law and all of the powers of prime minister moved into president's hands and supreme leader gained a lot of power, as much as a king. Khamenei became the supreme leader and Rafsanjani (Today president of council of experts) became the president. Mousavi said that he would never take part in politics when Khamenei is supreme leader and he was out of power until today that he plans to be the president.

    Thought up the brilliant human shields?
    Prime minister doesn't do that. It's Sepah.

    Ha! By the time the election's over, Iran will have a ready-to-use nuclear weapon. Good luck Israel!
    I don't think this will happen. Iranian powers are mad, but not enough to do this. And I don't think their missles will even hit the target!

    I really wish Khatami would have ran again. But at the same time, I don't get why the reformists don't just overthrow the Islamist regime that stunts so many of their initiatives.
    How could they? Any insults against supreme leader will cause him to jail. (yes, even suggesting what to do is an insult) and someone who deosn't believe in this Islamic Regime can't be elected by people.
    The only other way is a revolution and it isn't that easy.

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    We'll have to see how the election goes. Khatami has my respect for putting his countries welfare before his own. More then I can say for any American politician.
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    Thought up the brilliant human shields?
    Using hoards of teenagers to clear minefields?

    Anyways, I hope there is reform in Iran, they sure as hell need it.
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    Ha! By the time the election's over, Iran will have a ready-to-use nuclear weapon. Good luck Israel!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Modern Crusader View Post
    Ha! By the time the election's over, Iran will have a ready-to-use nuclear weapon. Good luck Israel!
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    Ha! By the time the election's over, Israel will still have a ready-to-use stockpile of nuclear weapons. Good luck Iran!





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    Quote Originally Posted by Modern Crusader View Post
    Ha! By the time the election's over, Iran will have a ready-to-use nuclear weapon. Good luck Israel!
    Cant wait for that time to come.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Modern Crusader View Post
    Ha! By the time the election's over, Iran will have a ready-to-use nuclear weapon. Good luck Israel!


    Anyway, I'm all for a reformation in Iran. Good luck!
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    Actually, it hasn't been proven that Israel has nuclear weapons, but even if they did, so what? They're not mad men like the Iranian mullahs. Heck, Israel can't even carpet bomb Gaza, do you really think they'd use a nuclear weapon on anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Modern Crusader View Post
    Actually, it hasn't been proven that Israel has nuclear weapons, but even if they did, so what? They're not mad men like the Iranian mullahs. Heck, Israel can't even carpet bomb Gaza, do you really think they'd use a nuclear weapon on anyone?
    Therein lies the problem. As long as people keep buying into state and tv propaganda and actually fall down into believing that the person at the helm of affairs at the other end is a genocidal maniac, humanity will suffer.

    Iran is at war with no one, it occupies no country, it has armies in no other country, it hasn't, since the revolution, made aggression upon anyone whereas Israel gets a tick-mark for all those things. Who are the mad men now?

    Seriously, the way Iran played the Iraq game (and came out as the only winners in the lost war) only proves that Iran is a diplomatic player of the global level.
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    I really wish Khatami would have ran again. But at the same time, I don't get why the reformists don't just overthrow the Islamist regime that stunts so many of their initiatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    I really wish Khatami would have ran again. But at the same time, I don't get why the reformists don't just overthrow the Islamist regime that stunts so many of their initiatives.
    Revolutionary Guard Anyone?

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    Again, sorry about overthrowing Mohammed Mosaddeq
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    Again, sorry about overthrowing Mohammed Mosaddeq
    Seconded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    Again, sorry about overthrowing Mohammed Mosaddeq
    It is useless to talk about this because it happened 56 years ago. But really, It was one the biggest mistakes of US. If US was looking for democracy, it shouldn't do that with Mosaddeq. This thing sometimes makes me think that US and UK are just looking for profit. That time, they really were looking for a free source of oil. The only thing Mosaddeq wanted was to bring oil's income in Iranian's pockets not English or American's.

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    I don't think this will happen. Iranian powers are mad, but not enough to do this. And I don't think their missles will even hit the target!
    I'm afraid Iran's Shahab-3 can very well hit Israel.
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