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    How did immigration happen in England?

    This isn't really covered historically, and I'm not English and know no Enlgish myself. So why is it that everything is run by non-English ethnicities in England, an island? Did the English people just ship people from India to come run all their businesses due to laziness or what? Or is it as many say and the English just wanted to be more multi cultural for the sake of being multi cultural?

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    well it was the center of a world spanning empire-- I know that loads of imperial subjects came to england and london proper to get an imperial education---- now that probably somewhat aided the modern demographics of england.

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    a large portion of it was people from the empire and dominion in the wake of world war 2.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british...drush_01.shtml

    for example.

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    "England" is a migrant nation. The "English" and the very idea of a land called England are born from the immigrant population who invaded the native Britain after the pull out of Roman forces.

    The idea that immigration suddenly appeared one day in the UK is ridiculous considering the millienia old traditions of migration to these shores.

    However to answer your point what you seem to be referring to is the influx of Sub-continent Asian and Afro-Caribbean populace to the UK.
    This began in the late 40s, when due to a manpower shortage and a near bankrupt company the UK encouraged immigration from the old colonial territories. Its then we started to see people coming to us from Jamaica, India, Pakistan, Trinidad etc. Even earning the most minimum of wages here they could earn a great deal more than they could in their home nations.

    This trend grew and we saw a mass influx.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilaneseDynasty View Post
    "England" is a migrant nation. The "English" and the very idea of a land called England are born from the immigrant population who invaded the native Britons after the pull out of Roman forces.
    Both of which were immigrants themselves. The Romans invaded and conquered it from the Celtic Brythonic tribes in the 1st century. The Celts, in turn, had sailed to the British Isles and conquered most of it in the 600's BCE. Prior to that, the Isles had been conquered, or at least invaded, by the bronze-age Beaker culture, and prior to that, no one knows.
    The identity of the original inhabitants of the British Isles are lost to the ages.
    Last edited by MaximiIian; March 19, 2009 at 01:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gideon Goldgod View Post
    How did immigration happen in England?

    So why is it that everything is run by non-English ethnicities in England, an island?
    I don't get what you mean? How is everything run by non-Enlgish ethnicities? Do you mean small shops being run by people of Indian descent or all our plumbing being done by Poles? That's hardly everything.

    Following the second world war, there was a shortage of labour in the country, so we turned to our colonies to provide this manpower. They stayed and are now an integral part of the English identity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Longbowman View Post
    I don't get what you mean? How is everything run by non-Enlgish ethnicities? Do you mean small shops being run by people of Indian descent or all our plumbing being done by Poles? That's hardly everything.
    Maybe he's thinking about Roman Abramovich and Mohamed Al-Fayed.

    Still, I'm pretty sure most businesses In England are owned by Englishmen.



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    I do sometimes worry about how many big British firms have been taken over by foreign ownership in recent times. I mean, the British car industry is all but dead and are certainly all foreign owned. It's not a problem though, because we've still got the booming finance industry to keep us going; Oh no hang on.....

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    Hmm. England an island?

    Maybe he's talking about the Scottish.

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    He's probably confusing England with Britain. It's easily done. I often forget that Wales, Scotland and Northern Island exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gideon Goldgod View Post
    How did immigration happen in England?

    This isn't really covered historically, and I'm not English and know no Enlgish myself. So why is it that everything is run by non-English ethnicities in England, an island? Did the English people just ship people from India to come run all their businesses due to laziness or what? Or is it as many say and the English just wanted to be more multi cultural for the sake of being multi cultural?
    1. Empire. England = the capital of the largest and most diverse empire in history.
    2. minorities do not RUN anything. Unless there is some evidence I have missed.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Longbowman View Post
    I often forget that Wales, Scotland and Northern Island exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gideon Goldgod View Post
    How did immigration happen in England?
    It was when New Labour completely sold us out to the EU and threw open our borders...

    and I'm not English and know no Enlgish myself.
    Where are you from, Wales?

    Did the English people just ship people from India to come run all their businesses due to laziness or what?
    No. Not at all.

    Or is it as many say and the English just wanted to be more multi cultural for the sake of being multi cultural.
    I don't think anyone would consider that a reason for immigration. Ever. Economic reasons to be frank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince Noir View Post
    It was when New Labour completely sold us out to the EU and threw open our borders...


    opens borders was in before new labour, the EU has go bigger since then but don't pin it all on them,

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    Quote Originally Posted by justicar5 View Post
    opens borders was in before new labour, the EU has go bigger since then but don't pin it all on them,
    And its not even open borders. Immigration has been going on for some time before the EU existed even in its embryonic form.


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    Sorry, it was a joke. My sarcasm can be very odd.

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    Moved to the Academy. PM me with questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gideon Goldgod View Post
    Or is it as many say and the English just wanted to be more multi cultural for the sake of being multi cultural?
    Yeah, it was on a whim, entirely to suit the ideology of the government of the time.

    We often do things just because we feel we can in Eng-er-land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gideon Goldgod View Post
    How did immigration happen in England?

    This isn't really covered historically, and I'm not English and know no Enlgish myself. So why is it that everything is run by non-English ethnicities in England, an island?
    Now what the ? How the hell is everything run by non-English ethnicities in England?

    Did the English people just ship people from India to come run all their businesses due to laziness or what? Or is it as many say and the English just wanted to be more multi cultural for the sake of being multi cultural?
    What a troll thread.

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    Immigration is always due to two reasons; moving away from a place where you are being persecuted, or the drive for a better life.
    Immigration to the UK is no different.

    Dunno what the OP is on though. Given that he "knows no English [people]" (by which I assume he means British), he then makes the absurd assumption that 'everything' is run by non-English (/British) ethnicities, which is demonstrably untrue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gideon Goldgod View Post
    How did immigration happen in England?
    Immigration has been occuring in the UK since far before the start of recorded history. All languages in the British isles are immigrant languages.

    This isn't really covered historically, and I'm not English and know no Enlgish myself. So why is it that everything is run by non-English ethnicities in England, an island?
    Minorities in the UK have a very mixed time of it. Hindus, East Asians, Sikhs and Jews do fairly well. Blacks and Muslims do quite badly on the whole. The large majority of the economy and the vast majority of political positions are controlled by whites.

    Did the English people just ship people from India to come run all their businesses due to laziness or what? Or is it as many say and the English just wanted to be more multi cultural for the sake of being multi cultural?
    Imigration from India/Pakistan/Bangladesh and the West Indies was a result of the British Empire. During the breakdown of the British Empire, people were still allowed to move around it freely, and this continued for a while. South Asian muslim communites often continued marriage ties with their parent communities which allowed for continued immigration. The term multi-culturalism was only coined after immigrant communities had become firmly established in the UK, and was more a response to the fact of multiple cultures existing in one country than anything else.

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