Why does the Union Flag still have the St Patrick cross on it?

[VALIS]

Northern Ireland does not represent that flag and is not allowed to. Ireland hasn't been part of the UK since 1919. It's time we get the old Union Flag back.

[Dodge]

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

[VALIS]

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Northern ireland is represented by the Union Flag officialy and the Flag of Ulster unofficially.
Seems like the St Patricks cross is a forgotten remnant from days of empire.

[SepulchreUK]

Northern ireland is represented by the Union Flag officialy and the Flag of Ulster unofficially.
Seems like the St Patricks cross is a forgotten remnant from days of empire.

That's the same for every nation of the Union. Their official flag is the Union Flag, the flag of the Union, however all four nations use 2nd flags to identify their individual national identities.

I think we should revise the Union Flag, but do it so that it incorporates Wales. Which was omitted from the Union Flag because it is a Principality and not a sovereign nation. I think it would be awesome to have a Dragon it!

[jsktrogdor]

If prefix's tell me anything, its that your flag is a "tricolor".

[Yuiis]

The welsh dragon, the St. Patrick's cross...You brits never settle down your issues with your flag. And I agree with Milanese Dynasty, three-color-fringed flags are boring and over-extended throughout the world.

[Каие]

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

The Union Flag/Jack is made up of each of the countries patron saint's flags.

St. George. - England &Wales (Wales is not separate from England officially)
St. Andrew. - Scotland
St. Patrick. - Ireland, successor state being NORTHERN Ireland.


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[The Longbowman]

St. George. - England &Wales (Wales is not separate from England officially)


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Is that true? I used to live with two welshies at uni and by God did they dislike us English. I doubt they feel any sort of affiliation with the St George's cross. Don't they have their own parliament though?

The day the Welsh dragon appears on the Union Flag is the day I sell up and move to France. Ain't gonna happen.

[Каие]

Is that true? I used to live with two welshies at uni and by God did they dislike us English. I doubt they feel any sort of affiliation with the St George's cross.

No, but Wales was a province of England, like Cornwall. Or should Cornwall be represented too? So they both counted as part of England, and thus shared England's saint.

Don't they have their own parliament though?

An Assembly, a glorified local council.

The day the Welsh dragon appears on the Union Flag is the day I sell up and move to France. Ain't gonna happen.

Even if we were to have Wales represented on the flag it would be the St. Davids flag, not any Dragon.

[The Longbowman]

No, but Wales was a province of England, like Cornwall. Or should Cornwall be represented too?

My other half is from Cornwall (Yes the webbed-feet are a tad annoying but on the whole she's a good lass) and certainly feels very proud of her cornish roots, but I think the Welsh see themselves as far more seperate from England than the Cornish do.

[Desperado †]

No, but Wales was a province of England, like Cornwall. Or should Cornwall be represented too? So they both counted as part of England, and thus shared England's saint.



An Assembly, a glorified local council.



Even if we were to have Wales represented on the flag it would be the St. Davids flag, not any Dragon.

Wow, that last version is kick ass. Wasn't there a (failed) proposal in Parliament to add 'Celtic swirls' around the border to represent the Celtic nations?

[Musthavename]

I think we should revise the Union Flag, but do it so that it incorporates Wales. Which was omitted from the Union Flag because it is a Principality and not a sovereign nation. I think it would be awesome to have a Dragon it!

That's not why, it's because Wales was never technically joined the union, as it was conquered by the English.

What's wrong with the second red cross for NI anyway?

[Каие]

The Cornish are far smaller in number, weaker historically in resolve, and not as culturally independent thanks to centuries of assimilation but the Welsh, at least in recent times thanks to Cymru and the devolution have had a little revitalisation. But in the last century the Welsh dislike of the English was like the Yorkshire dislike of Lancashire. Regional, as opposed to national.

[The Longbowman]

Are you a yorkshireman?

[IrishHitman]

Doesn't look as good, besides, the Unionists up in Northern Ireland might die a little inside....

No, the Ulster flag is not the unofficial flag of NI, that would require yellow...
Unless you're thinking of the English flag with that star/hand in the middle, that's defunct by a good thirty years.

[Yorkshireman]

But in the last century the Welsh dislike of the English was like the Yorkshire dislike of Lancashire.

We still don't like them. (Lancs) We don't forget a war that happened 550 years ago overnight. Oh no sir.

[Каие]

We still don't like them. (Lancs) We don't forget a war that happened 550 years ago overnight. Oh no sir.

This is why I never went to Leeds-Man-U games.

You Brits and your Saints. Your flag is arguably the most readily identifiable worldwide (along with Old Glory). Why change it for change sake? Too many of your countrymen have died since time immemorial serving it.

My two cents.

The symbols they died for would still be on there.

[Edward lV]

This is why I never went to Leeds-Man-U games.

You dont know what your missing...

[Erebus Pasha]

This is why I never went to Leeds-Man-U games.

Considering where Leeds are now I think those matches will be consigned to the history books as well!

[Their Law]

We still don't like them. (Lancs) We don't forget a war that happened 550 years ago overnight. Oh no sir.

God that was an issue growing up in Lancashire but born (and loyal) to Yorkshire. Lots of arguments in history class resulted in me versus the rest of the class .