Spot the difference

[Carpathian Wolf]

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2009/0...ifference.html


I'm not pro Bush or Obama but this is very interesting.

[Admiral Piett]

I watched the vid. They are two entirely different environments and the author of the site simply nudged the two together as if they were an accurate comparison.

[Gideon Goldgod]

I watched the vid. They are two entirely different environments and the author of the site simply nudged the two together as if they were an accurate comparison.

If you scroll down two inches the author of the blog mentions he has corrected that mistake. It was corrected before you mentioned it. And before this post was ever made.

[Admiral Piett]

If you scroll down two inches the author of the blog mentions he has corrected that mistake. It was corrected before you mentioned it. And before this post was ever made.

I did. My point still stands. This is a completely ineffective argument. It's showing two very different situations. Besides, if you looked at the last video, it shows how the author of the site is just trying to spin things. It's very clear where his views lie.

[Remison]

notice the marines in barrys intro we're all standing at the position of attention, which is really the proper thing to do when the Cinc comes on deck.

[Gideon Goldgod]

notice the marines in barrys intro we're all standing at the position of attention, which is really the proper thing to do when the Cinc comes on deck.

I can't get the videos for some reason.

The man who runs blackfive is/was in the military. Only he and anybody else who has been or is in the military can give an opinion on how they feel on their President.
Actually, speaking realistically, you can't give an opinion of a current CIC if you are currently in the military at all. Like myself, I'm in the USMC. But I really cannot give my opinions to civilians completely ignorant about all military issues.

[Admiral Piett]

I can't get the videos for some reason.

The man who runs blackfive is/was in the military. Only he and anybody else who has been or is in the military can give an opinion on how they feel on their President.
Actually, speaking realistically, you can't give an opinion of a current CIC if you are currently in the military at all. Like myself, I'm in the USMC. But I really cannot give my opinions to civilians completely ignorant about all military issues.

If you can find the videos you'll know what I'm talking about. Not only was it a different location, but a different setting. Bush's appearance was more like an informal visit whereas the Obama appearance was more official and had more of the staff in attendance.

The author is trying to present that the military doesn't really like or trust Obama. But I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that. Most servicemen I know are usually fairly private or uncertain. But I did know a couple Marines that openly hated Bush.

[Gideon Goldgod]

Most servicemen I know are usually fairly private or uncertain. But I did know a couple Marines that openly hated Bush.

Please don't fall into that mold, "the guy who knows a guy who has an opinion mold".
Myself, I've not met a single Marine in all my years in the Marine Corps who hates former President George W. Bush. Whether they had been in charge of me or myself in charge of them.

[danzig]

If you can find the videos you'll know what I'm talking about. Not only was it a different location, but a different setting. Bush's appearance was more like an informal visit whereas the Obama appearance was more official and had more of the staff in attendance.

The author is trying to present that the military doesn't really like or trust Obama. But I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that. Most servicemen I know are usually fairly private or uncertain. But I did know a couple Marines that openly hated Bush.

While the setting may have been more formal the soldiers were certainly free to applaud the president given the two men on stage who did when he stepped out. So formal or not its clear imo that the marines at Lejeune werent exactly thrilled at Obama's presences. Besides it is that informal setting that made people who liked Bush, like him...soldiers including. Dunno would seem odd for commanders to applaud but then keep the soldiers at attention preventing them from doing so? Perhaps one of our military people can toss in their view here.

[Modern Crusader]

No surprise there. The Marines know Bush cared about them, and that Obama is just an America-hater using them for political gains and wouldn't give a rat's ass if they were all killed.

[Dunecat]

The Marines know ... Obama is just an America-hater using them for political gains and wouldn't give a rat's ass if they were all killed.

Explain and justify your statement.

Wow, tactical acumen, what an offense against American sensibilities!

Unless you truly do suggest, as the author of the video, that President Obama truly thinks American troops "are just killing civilians" or wished to slander them.

Firstly, the two visits are of different occasions. They cannot be compared in the area of enthusiasm for the commander-in-chief. Secondly, they are not naive idealists to a great extent.

The majority are level-headed individuals, appropriately mature for someone their age. They are professional soldiers, at least for the time being, and knowing a small number active-duty servicemen myself (and living a floor above the ROTC dorm at my university), I know American servicemen to be well-adjusted individuals, not given to petty snubs, instead priding themselves in their discipline, honor, and duty. I have yet to meet a service-member or trainee, even a hardliner, that is loyal to a particular elected official or party above all else.

I am not saying soldiers, marines, seaman, all of them are not given to political leanings and ideology, but that to suggest they "snubbed" their future or reigning commander-in-chief is silly, and I think below them. Any analyzing of volume of applause is at best irrelevant.


So I herd u liek mudkipz?

[The Good]

God bless President Bush. A true American. Those soldiers had every right to cheer his appearance.

[Каие]

In the first clip where the troops orgasms over Bush's presence, such a thing would not happen in the UK. From my experience soldiers don't particularly like the government at all, not the Prime Minister, had the Prime Minister walked out a lot of tsks, eye rolls and groans would have been seen.

No surprise there. The Marines know Bush cared about them, and that Obama is just an America-hater using them for political gains and wouldn't give a rat's ass if they were all killed.

[jsktrogdor]

The real question is:

WHY THE HELL DOES IT MATTER?

[removeduser_487563287433]

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2009/0...ifference.html


I'm not pro Bush or Obama but this is very interesting.

You might think that, but no, it's not.

[Hub'ite]

That was retarded. I can tell you why Bush got a standing ovation, last year we got a 3.9% pay increase this year we'll only get 2.9%.

[jsktrogdor]

Again, why the hell does it matter?

AHH! THE TROOPS HATE HIM!

AHH! EINSTEIN WAS AN ATHEIST!

AHH! JESUS LOVED GAY PEOPLE!

AHH! JESUS HATED GAY PEOPLE!

AHH! JEFFERSON WAS A THEIST!

AHH! HITLER WAS A CHRISTIAN!

AHH it doesnt ing matter what other people think, having a debate about what someone else thinks is so ass-backwards, its the most rediculous ing thing Ive seen on the site. You guys do realize your debating about what the mass-opinion of a group of people is based on a 2 minute video clip right?

First of all, its ing irrelevent what the the troops think just the same as what everyone else thinks.

Secondly, you have no place in deciding their opinions for them based on a silly little video clip that has been heavily edited.

Retarded thread, close this ridiculous debate.

[danzig]

Oh pfft please, we endured 8 years of anytime Bush farted someone posted a thread about it. If you dont like it then dont read it, I think the how Obama is seen by the military (the video Ill agree doesnt given enough to judge really) is a decent enough topic.

[jsktrogdor]

Oh pfft please, we endured 8 years of anytime Bush farted someone posted a thread about it. If you dont like it then dont read it, I think the how Obama is seen by the military (the video Ill agree doesnt given enough to judge really) is a decent enough topic.

I dont have a partisan problem with this; your opinion is your own. Debating what the troops think (which is a rediculous idea in general) is just a shallow attempt at mongering support for your bias. Whatever bias you may be pitching, its still pathetic and pointless to talk about it. Deciding the troops opinion is the exact same liberals pulled when they debated weither Martin Luther King jr. would of voted for him. Its irrelevent, and insulting to the troops regaurdless of which side of the disagreement your dragging them onto.

[Gideon Goldgod]

. . . . . . . . AHH it doesnt ing matter what other people think, having a debate about what someone else thinks is so ass-backwards, its the most rediculous ing thing Ive seen on the site. . . . . . .

These aren't your work-a-day types like yourself, though.

If there were an actual hatred or pure love the military had for a particular leader, they aren't just some guy like you typing on the net. We can do something about it. This is why we crack down so quickly on our own. Truly, we could own this in a week if we were so inclined.