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    What keeps Gen. David H. Petraeus awake at night?

    "The turmoil in Pakistan," he told an audience in East Hartford on Friday night.

    Then he continued, geographically.

    Afghanistan: "Vice President Biden had it exactly right when he said it's going to get harder before it gets easier," he said.


    Iran: Would it welcome engagement?

    He went on: Iraq, which we'll have to keep an eye on even as we take out combat troops; Yemen, where there's potential for al-Qaida to put down roots; Somalia, where troubles continue.

    Petraeus, commander of U.S. Central Command, which oversees an area of the Middle East and Central Asia that encompasses the wars in both Iraq and Afghanistan, 20 countries and a host of ungoverned spaces, addressed an audience of nearly 800, many in uniform, at Goodwin College. The event was sponsored by the World Affairs Council of Connecticut.

    Much of his talk focused on Afghanistan, which has recently seen an increase in violence and narcotics trafficking and has been plagued by a resilient Taliban and al-Qaida-associated forces. President Barack Obama is expected to re-focus on Afghanistan, and Petraeus said it will require more troops, more civilian efforts, more funding and a new kind of effort.

    The mission there is different from wars the nation faced years ago, Petraeus explained, with a different deciding terrain: human.

    In past wars, winning might have meant taking a hill or capturing territory, he noted. "Counterinsurgency is not that way," he said. "It is tough, grinding, difficult, complex and frustrating."

    It will also be different from the war in Iraq, he said. Iraq has oil, gas, water and mineral wealth far greater than Afghanistan's. Iraq has more history of centralized government, more human capital, and a vastly different infrastructure. The surge of troops that entered Iraq during 2007 was possible largely because of the infrastructure in place to absorb them, something Afghanistan does not have yet.

    "We are constructing, not reconstructing," he said of Afghanistan.

    But some of the same principles will guide operations there, like the emphasis on security and serving the people, having soldiers live close to the people and maintaining a persistent security presence, going after the enemies and holding onto the areas they desert.

    The fundamental mission there, ensuring that transnational terrorists are not able to take sanctuary there as they did before 9/11, requires achieving other goals: killing and capturing terrorists, fostering a legitimate government and providing basic economic opportunities for citizens.

    "Essentially, it requires a robust, sustained, comprehensive counterinsurgency campaign," he said.

    The first priority there must be to reduce the cycle of violence, giving people "the necessary breathing space" to stand up for themselves and for the government to provide for the people, Petraeus said. From that can come legitimacy for the government, improved intelligence and increased security. "Each factor reinforces the other," he said.

    He also spoke of the need to increase the budgets of the State Department and USAID to levels commensurate with the Department of Defense.

    It may be trite to say you can't kill or capture your way out of a situation, though that part is also necessary, he said. "But you also need to be building and to develop and to assist and to help and to partner," he said.

    Of Iraq, where he commanded the multinational forces from February 2007 to September 2008, Petraeus described improvements in the past two years, with less violence and a weakened al-Qaida in Iraq. He said he expects the U.S. to withdraw all combat brigades by summer 2010 but said there will be challenges: upcoming elections, the release of more than 10,000 Iraqi detainees, the return of Iraqis displaced by sectarian violence and ethnic and sectarian mistrust.

    "There is a new hope in Iraq, but that hope rests on an emerging foundation," he said.

    He addressed Iran briefly. It can be a destabilizing influence in the region, he said, but also shares some common interests with the U.S. and other nations.

    Iran does not want to see a Shiite-led Iraq fail, he said. It does not want to see the Taliban run Afghanistan. And it has an enormous drug problem, with millions of addicts, and an interest in countering the narcotics trade from Afghanistan.

    Much of the future will come down to whether Iran can accept some of the status quo, rather than trying to change the contours of the region in destabilizing ways, he said.
    http://www.courant.com/news/politics...,3766918.story

    Basically continues the story of Counterinsurgency and its difference with conventional war.
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    Patreus makes me want to be a General. A breath of fresh air.

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    Smart man.

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    The fellow is a genius.

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    Petraeus is americas Ceasar!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vexille View Post
    Petraeus is americas Ceasar!
    He's going to lead an army into Washington D.C. to seize political power and call himself Emperor?
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    Go on Farnan, go and help those despicable thugs you call our soldiers to kill some of the poorest people on the planet.
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    Don't you realize that it is a good thing that so many British soldiers have already been killed as punishment for the invasion?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawrence of Arabia View Post
    He's going to lead an army into Washington D.C. to seize political power and call himself Emperor?
    Haven't you heard? Patreaus is about to cross the Potomac!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawrence of Arabia View Post
    He's going to lead an army into Washington D.C. to seize political power and call himself Emperor?
    He's got my support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawrence of Arabia View Post
    He's going to lead an army into Washington D.C. to seize political power and call himself Emperor?
    God I hope so...

    That would be a miracle at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vexille View Post
    Petraeus is americas Ceasar!

    I seriously hope that was just a joke.

    Quote Originally Posted by ЯoMe ♠ kb8 View Post
    Patreus makes me want to be a General. A breath of fresh air.
    But does he make you want to spell the poor mans name right?

    Just joking, bro!

    Petraeus definately makes the green look much more attactive, something that it was in serious need for.

    I would be surprised if he doesn't run for the oval office someday, but then again I felt the same way about Colin Powell, and it doesn't look like he ever will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bokks View Post

    I seriously hope that was just a joke.



    But does he make you want to spell the poor mans name right?

    Just joking, bro!

    Petraeus definately makes the green look much more attactive, something that it was in serious need for.

    I would be surprised if he doesn't run for the oval office someday, but then again I felt the same way about Colin Powell, and it doesn't look like he ever will.
    if things keep going his way, he's young enough for it. powell shot himself in the foot by backing bush. he's a laughing stock in the world's diplomatic circles now days. its a shame really.

    i havent seen an american military leader with such a complete grasp on international relations and how important it is to the united states that they work with the world not in spite of it.. he also seems to have a grasp of that thing which has stung the americans so much over the years... the third world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bokks View Post
    But does he make you want to spell the poor mans name right?
    Not particularly, to me he is ''Peaches''

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    Hold it, guys. Before we celebrate Caesar's crossing of the rubicon again, we need to see how his ideas for combatting terrorism pans out. General petraeus is advocating rebuilding afghanistan, but the US is in a mountain of debt. Who is going to fund his proposals?
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    Default Re: General Petraeus on new terrain of war

    Quote Originally Posted by Zephyrus View Post
    Hold it, guys. Before we celebrate Caesar's crossing of the rubicon again, we need to see how his ideas for combatting terrorism pans out. General petraeus is advocating rebuilding afghanistan, but the US is in a mountain of debt. Who is going to fund his proposals?
    Obama seems happy to throw around several trillion dollars just this year, so I don't think that will be an issue


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    I think Zephyrus has gotta point. While I have respect for General Petraeus, I think he needs to realize that the US Military needs to learn to work within its means. We already pour far more money into our military than most Western nations and it is itself a source of debt since military spending doesn't necessarily mean we get that money back. On the flip side, I think the military needs a DECREASE in spending because of the amount that the Pentagon and many of the high up staff just waste on failed programs and experiments made to make themselves look good. Imagine if we were to simply close up bases in Germany and Europe, Petraeus would have all the money he'd need for a decade.

    I think a great story on that subject was called "The Pentagon Wars".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    We already pour far more money into our military than most Western nations
    most? erm... who spends more?
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    United States spends more than the rest of the world combined, dosen't it?

    I like this Petraeus guy

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    Quote Originally Posted by antea View Post
    most? erm... who spends more?
    I was actually referring to the percentage of our budget. I think the US spends somewhere around 48 - 53% of its budget on the military. I thought I saw that North Korea spent more of its budget on military than the US, which is I why I made that statement.

    Obviously, the US outspends more than the next 15 countries in terms of military spending due to our sheer size and revenue, but I put more stock into budget percentage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    I was actually referring to the percentage of our budget. I think the US spends somewhere around 48 - 53% of its budget on the military. I thought I saw that North Korea spent more of its budget on military than the US, which is I why I made that statement.

    Obviously, the US outspends more than the next 15 countries in terms of military spending due to our sheer size and revenue, but I put more stock into budget percentage.
    as a percentage of the budget, its sitting in the 20% rage i think.. as a percentage of gdp its way down in the pack at similar levels to most western nations in the 3-4% range.

    although like most countries defence spending can be 'hidden' in other areas of security such as policing, or in research etc etc..
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    Petraeus said increase state funding to be on par with that of DoD. That's a good thing. State department is commited to nation building and good relations between countries etc.

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