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    General David Petraeus, the head of US Central Command, has said that a mass influx of troops like that during the so-called "surge" in Iraq is not the answer to Afghanistan's spiralling violence.

    Petraeus, who was commander of US forces in Iraq when the strategy was implemented in 2007, told an audience in the US state of Connecticut that the infrastructure was not in place for a similar effort in the Central Asian nation.

    "You do need to tenaciously pursue the enemy and the extremists," he said on Friday.

    "But you also need to be building, and to develop, and to assist, and to help and to partner."

    Last month, Barack Obama, the US president, ordered 17,000 more US troops to be sent to bolster the 38,000 already in Afghanistan. Ground commanders have reportedly requested that the US force be increased to 60,000 troops.

    Petraeus blamed the continuing problems on a "syndicate of extremists," financing from the drug trade, safe havens in Pakistan and frustration with the slow development of the country's fledgling government.

    Worsening violence

    Petraeus's remarks reflect widespread concerns that the situation in Afghanistan is worsening as anti-government fighters gain strength in many areas of the country and violence reaches its highest levels since the US-led invasion of 2001.

    A United Nations report published on Friday said that security had deteriorated and could continue to worsen over the coming months.

    "The government, security forces and population of Afghanistan, along with its international partners, face a critical test in 2009," it said.

    "Security has continued to deteriorate. The results of government and international aid efforts have fallen short of popular expectations as Afghans suffer the effects of drought and a global rise in food prices."

    However, Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary-general, said that extra troops to help train Afghanistan's security forces and provide protection for election scheduled for August could help the situation.

    "A judicious deployment of additional international troops, with its primary goal being the security of the Afghan people,will be a welcome development," he said.

    Civilian deaths

    The UN report also identified the rise in civilian deaths as a major problem.

    The number of civilians killed rose 40 per cent last year to 2,118. Most of the deaths were caused by anti-government fighters, but 39 per cent were caused by international and Afghan government forces.

    On Saturday, at least five people were killed in a military operation by US and Afghan troops in Logar province, south of the capital, Kabul.

    The US military said that suspected fighters were shot after opening fire on the troops, but a spokesman for the provincial governor said a government delegation had confirmed the dead were civilians.

    Angry villagers held a protest near a government compound later in the day and police opened fire on them to prevent them from storming the building, Den Mohammad Darwesh, the governor's spokesman, said.

    The US military said that the raid had targeted the leader of a group making roadside bombs.

    "They were five armed militants that fired on a joint force ... when they went in to get a targeted individual,'' Colonel Greg Julian, a US military spokesman, said.

    After angry condemnations by Hamid Karzai, the president, following civilian deaths in US and Nato-led operations, Washington recently agreed to put Afghan forces on all of its missions.
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    Seems there is not an easy solution like the Surge for Afghanistan.
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    Drop some A bomb on theme and on pakkistani and iran, only that would clean this mess, as an allied you got my full support.
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    Default Re: No Afghan Surge says General Petraeus

    Why can't we just have the best of both worlds? Send more of the soldiers in Iraq over to Afghanistan, buy the opium fields and get Pakistan to play a more active role in this whole affair.

    Quote Originally Posted by adamove
    Drop some A bomb on theme and on pakkistani and iran, only that would clean this mess, and those crazy people living there they would never change, as an allied you got my full support.
    That would be the height of folly and madness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamove View Post
    Drop some A bomb on theme and on pakkistani and iran, only that would clean this mess, as an allied you got my full support.
    Yeah...too bad if that ever happened, we would nuke all of our enemies and take them down with us. Btw, why doesn't poland send a good ol' a-bomb over here? o yeah, Putin slapped your president with his dick, and took away all of your nukes in exchange for a year's supply of natural gas.

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    Basically he is saying we don't have the infrastructure to support the increase in troops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    Basically he is saying we don't have the infrastructure to support the increase in troops.
    Build it then. You are the United States. Superpower, home of the brave etc. etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ЯoMe ♠ kb8 View Post
    Build it then. You are the United States. Superpower, home of the brave etc. etc.
    Urbanizing Afghanistan, and building a huge road and transportation center takes time and huge efforts.
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    hmmmm, but anything we build will just be destroyed or used by our enemy

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    Why would we need huge urbanisation to accommodate more soldiers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ЯoMe ♠ kb8 View Post
    Why would we need huge urbanisation to accommodate more soldiers?
    To hire people to build the bases, and support infrastructure.
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    A-stan needs to be heavily urbanised to hire one of the millions of unemployed Afghans to build things?

    I'm sorry I don't understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ЯoMe ♠ kb8 View Post
    A-stan needs to be heavily urbanised to hire one of the millions of unemployed Afghans to build things?

    I'm sorry I don't understand.
    Except their not all in one place...
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    They have buses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ЯoMe ♠ kb8 View Post
    They have buses.
    But no roads...
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    Default Re: No Afghan Surge says General Petraeus

    Yet they still get around....

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    Shame he doesnt mention its the cia doing the drug trade, oh well.

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    If this was the 1980s you may be right. But its not.
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    Yeh, Now its our soldiers cia doesnt need to do it no more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin N View Post
    Yeh, Now its our soldiers cia doesnt need to do it no more.
    Source?
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    First 'talk' with the Taliban than speculate of the future of Afghanistan.
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