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    SEOUL, South Korea — Japan strongly protested North Korea's planned rocket launch, warning Friday it could shoot it down after the North said it would fly over Japan and designated a "danger" zone off the country's coast.
    North Korea has given U.N. agencies coordinates forming two zones where parts of the multiple-stage rocket would fall, unveiling its plan to fire the projectile over Japan toward the Pacific Ocean sometime between April 4 and 8.
    One of the "danger" zones where the rocket's first stage is expected to fall is in waters less than 75 miles (120 kilometers) from Japan's northwestern shore, according to coordinates released Thursday by the International Civil Aviation Organization and the International Maritime Organization.
    The other zone lies in the middle of the Pacific between Japan and Hawaii.
    In Tokyo, Chief Cabinet Secretary Takeo Kawamura told North Korea to abandon the launch and said Japan was ready to defend itself.
    "Legally speaking, if this object falls toward Japan, we can shoot it down for safety reasons," he said.
    Defense Minister Yasukazu Hamada said Japan would "deal with anything that is flying toward us. We are preparing for any kind of emergency."
    Japan's prime minister expressed anger.
    "They can call it a satellite or whatever, but it would be a violation" of a 2006 U.N. Security Council resolution banning Pyongyang from ballistic missile activity, Taro Aso said. "We protest a launch and strongly demand it be canceled."
    Japan's coast guard and Transport Ministry issued maritime and aviation warnings, urging ships and aircraft to stay away from the affected regions.
    Hisanori Iizuka, a spokesman for Japan Airlines Corp., Asia's biggest carrier, said the airline will reroute some flights during the April 4-8 period.
    "We will take every measure to ensure safety for our passengers," Iizuka said.
    South Korea also warned the North.
    "If North Korea carries out the launch, we believe there will be discussions and countermeasures from the Security Council," a Foreign Ministry statement said, referring to possible sanctions.
    U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said Thursday a North Korean satellite or missile launch would "threaten the peace and stability in the region."
    Though it is an international norm for countries to provide such specifics as a safety warning ahead of a missile or satellite launch, it was the first time the communist North has done so. It did not issue a warning ahead of its purported satellite launch in 1998 over Japan and a failed 2006 test-flight of a long-range missile.
    The North's notification to the ICAO and IMO underscores that it is intent on pushing ahead with the launch in an attempt to gain greater leverage in negotiations with the United States, analysts say.
    "They want to do the launch openly while minimizing what the international community may find fault with," said Kim Yong-hyun, a professor at Seoul's Dongguk University. "The launch will earn North Korea a key political asset that would enlarge its negotiating leverage."
    U.S. State Department spokesman Robert Wood called the North's plan "provocative."
    "We think the North needs to desist, or not carry out this type of provocative act, and sit down ... and work on the process of denuclearization of the Korean peninsula," Wood said.
    Analysts, including Kim, say a rocket launch would raise the stakes as well as the benefits the impoverished nation might get from negotiations with the U.S. and other countries trying to persuade it to give up its nuclear weapons program. The North has repeatedly used brinksmanship in the past as a negotiating tool to gain concessions and aid.
    Separately, North Korea on Friday barred overland border crossings for the second time this week, leaving hundreds of South Koreans working at a joint industrial complex in the North stranded on both sides of the border.
    About 250 people, who are mostly South Koreans but also include an Australian and two Chinese, had planned to return Friday to the South from the complex in the North Korean border town of Kaesong, South Korea's Unification Ministry said, adding that some 610 people were unable to cross the border to the complex.
    "Our government expresses our deep regret over the fact that this kind of situation has been repeated," Unification Ministry spokesman Kim Ho-nyeon told reporters.
    Kim called the border closing an act "tarnishing" trust between the two Koreas and creating "an obstacle" against the complex's expansion.
    It was unclear why the North refused permission for the border crossings. The North closed the border on Monday after cutting off the only remaining hot line with the South to protest its ongoing military drills with the U.S. The North calls the exercises a rehearsal for an invasion.
    Looks like the Japanese aren't taking any chances.

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    If there is another war between South/North, even with us supporting the south, it will be very different this time, the north is nuclear armed, and not afraid to use them, and the fact there alot better equipped than last time, and we (the usa) are already in 3 fronts in the middle east, and i doubt another war will go well with the public, i mean how many people in the Usa really care what happens to korea ?

    But if there is a war, hopefully we can get rid of the dictatorship in the north this time, and unite korea.

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    If NK has the spine to launch its nukes...well...we're going to toss a hell of a fit, snapping that spine of theirs and probably cutting them (NK) to ribbons too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin N View Post
    If there is another war between South/North, even with us supporting the south, it will be very different this time, the north is nuclear armed, and not afraid to use them, and the fact there alot better equipped than last time, and we (the usa) are already in 3 fronts in the middle east, and i doubt another war will go well with the public, i mean how many people in the Usa really care what happens to korea ?

    But if there is a war, hopefully we can get rid of the dictatorship in the north this time, and unite korea.
    I think we (or the US) definitely need to intervene in the event of a new Korean war, for the sake of the Korean people. It would be a terrible, terrible day if the people of the south were absorbed. A vibrant, cultured people turned into just more slaves to the Glorious Leader. As bad as it sounds, I think the freedom of Korea is worth the destruction and loss of life it will entail.

    EDIT: If China is involved it's a different story. But I doubt they would side with the North anyway.

    That being said, the Northern nukes are probably just a big prestige project. They barely registered on the scale of nuclear blasts and they may have even just been some conventional bombs shoved in a mineshaft. The North would be foolish to think that the three or so bombs they have are any deterrant.

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    Even 1 bomb would cause a great loss of life, so it would be enough to make the south surrender, say if they took out the government and as much of the military as they could, who knows, whatever the situation, a war wouldent be good, i agree though, i dont think china would join, were alot closer to china these days than we was in the korean war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin N View Post
    Even 1 bomb would cause a great loss of life, so it would be enough to make the south surrender, say if they took out the government and as much of the military as they could, who knows, whatever the situation, a war wouldent be good, i agree though, i dont think china would join, were alot closer to china these days than we was in the korean war.
    If they had the USA, Japan and China behind them the south wouldn't surrender that quickly. Northern nuclear 'weapons' would just get everybody even madder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin N View Post
    the north is nuclear armed, and not afraid to use them
    And you know they aren't afraid to use them, how???

    So far the only way they've used their nuclear capabilities is to bribe the US into giving them some free stuff (oil, iphone for the great leader, etc.).



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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    And you know they aren't afraid to use them, how???

    So far the only way they've used their nuclear capabilities is to bribe the US into giving them some free stuff (oil, iphone for the great leader, etc.).
    What... WHAT? We gave him an iPhone? That er doesn't deserve !

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    As I've said North Korea is like a bully in school, they don't get enough love so they try bullying the world. It's just, err, it's not even annoying any more it's just angering.
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    What I'm afraid of is Japan shooting down the missile, North Korea retaliating, China comes to aid of NK, USA get's involved, etc etc

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    If north korea retaliates, usa will automatically get involved, thats the whole point of the annual drills in korea, honestly dont think japan has the spine anymore to attack anyone, i really dont, atleast without usa backing, there not the superpower they once was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin N View Post
    If north korea retaliates, usa will automatically get involved, thats the whole point of the annual drills in korea, honestly dont think japan has the spine anymore to attack anyone, i really dont, atleast without usa backing, there not the superpower they once was.
    learn history. U.S forbid Japan to HAVE an army. That's why. As soon as U.S let Japnn have army they would be kicking North Korea in the rear

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quadratus View Post
    What I'm afraid of is Japan shooting down the missile, North Korea retaliating, China comes to aid of NK, USA get's involved, etc etc
    China will not aid NK. This is not Mao-land anymore. It needs healthy trading partners along its border and North Korea is quite literally a decomposing corpse. The Kim-regime is so messed up, not even China wants anything to do with it. The North will be all alone, and this they expect. Why do you think there's 2.5 million soldiers in their army?

    If there is going to be a war, the world's 4th largest army will get its ass whooped like there's no tomorrow. Their tanks are short on fuel, their soldiers are short on experience, their leader is short on vision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    China will not aid NK. This is not Mao-land anymore. It needs healthy trading partners along its border and North Korea is quite literally a decomposing corpse. The Kim-regime is so messed up, not even China wants anything to do with it. The North will be all alone, and this they expect. Why do you think there's 2.5 million soldiers in their army?

    If there is going to be a war, the world's 4th largest army will get its ass whooped like there's no tomorrow. Their tanks are short on fuel, their soldiers are short on experience, their leader is short on vision.
    Good points.

    NK's military technology still relies on Old Soviet Era tanks / weapons w/ improvements..

    Even so, our military would work the KPA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quadratus View Post
    Good points.

    NK's military technology still relies on Old Soviet Era tanks / weapons w/ improvements..

    Even so, our military would work the KPA.
    The North Koreans still have T-34s as a used tank...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    The North Koreans still have T-34s as a used tank...
    Oh seriously?

    An RPG can take out a t34 - LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    The North Koreans still have T-34s as a used tank...
    Yeap. Though the mainstay of their force are as far as I am aware chinese T-55 modifications, which were then further modded in North Korean factories. They really don't have anything modern in there.



    Notice anything? No vehicles. They're conserving fuel.
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    I love the idea of WW3 being used to pull us out of the 2nd Depression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephyrus View Post
    I love the idea of WW3 being used to pull us out of the 2nd Depression.
    hmmm
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    Quote Originally Posted by CK23 View Post
    hmmm
    Too soon? If Gerard Celinte is right, how else can we convince everyone to go to war with NK? We'd have to make up a pretty good excuse to do so...
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