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    Mayor Bill Purcell,
    Dr. O'Sullivan,
    Dear students and faculty,
    Friends,
    Thank you for providing me with the opportunity to be in this prestigious
    forum with you to discuss the need for a new strategy for moving forward in
    Afghanistan. I would like thank Harvard University, the John F. Kennedy
    School of Government, the Institute of Politics, my dear friend Dr. Meghan
    O'Sullivan, Noelia Rodriguez and Eric Rosenbach. I am honored to be here and
    very grateful for your interest.
    Ladies and Gentlemen,
    Seven years after the fall of the Taliban, Afghanistan is facing increased
    security challenges. Unfortunately, our significant historic achievements
    are overshadowed by the sharp increase in violence in the south, rising
    suicide attacks and roadside bombings in cities and along major highways.
    Looking back, the United States came to help in Afghanistan after Al Qaeda's
    vicious attack on September 11, 2001. The immediate objective of the U.S.
    intervention was to eliminate terrorists and destroy Al Qaeda bases. While
    state institutions were systematically destroyed by 30 years of war, the
    international community chose to apply a "light" footprint approach instead
    of choosing the "right" footprint of institution-building. This was the
    original sin.
    The rapid collapse of the Taliban created unrealistic and excessive
    optimism, while the war in Iraq distracted attention and resources from
    Afghanistan. The state-building efforts were uncoordinated and ad hoc, with
    excessive emphasis on creating new parallel institutions while overlooking
    substance and sustainability.
    Truthfully, the Taliban were neither eliminated nor fully defeated. They
    were pushed into the countryside and across the border.
    Subsequently, the security situation deteriorated due to the limited number
    of troops on the ground, the total negligence of building the police force
    and judicial system, the underinvestment in building the national army, and
    the meager resources applied to building the capacity of the Afghan
    government to deliver services and provide protection to its citizens.
    Furthermore, the regional aspect of terrorism was ignored. Terrorist
    sanctuaries in Pakistan remained operational, and there was misplaced trust
    in Pakistan's military dictatorship's ability to fight terrorism. Our region
    was further destabilized by two lethal trends in our neighborhood: the
    Pakistanization of Al Qaeda and the Talibanization of Pakistan.
    The involvement of NATO in Afghanistan was premature and lacked strategic
    coordination. Some non-U.S. NATO forces were ill-prepared for
    counter-insurgency operations. NATO forces still lack equipment,
    helicopters, air power and transport, intelligence and logistical
    capabilities as well as special operation units, precision artillery and,
    more importantly, funding for reconstruction activities. These forces are
    also bound by close to 60 "national caveats" that limit their effectiveness.
    However, they are an important political asset for all of us.
    Subsequently, the Afghan war theater lacked a practical unified military
    command and proper coordination of all civilian, political, military,
    national and international and actors.
    Very limited attention was paid to the reform of the justice system, leaving
    us with no option but to accept stability over justice as a short-term
    solution. Human rights violations and war crimes remained unpunished,
    creating a culture of impunity for spoilers and criminals.
    Those who claim that the international community is not succeeding
    militarily in Afghanistan should know that they never fully tried. We all
    did what we could with the limited military resources and reconstruction
    funds we had at our disposal. We could not do what was necessary due to
    shortages in funds and troops. Today, we are at a turning point. If we do
    not choose the right strategy, it can turn into a tipping point.
    A peaceful, pluralistic and prosperous Afghanistan is not a luxurious dream
    of the Afghan people and government. It is a necessity for peace in
    Afghanistan, stability in the region and security in the world. Let me be
    clear on one point, we are not imposing Jeffersonian democracy on
    Afghanistan - we are preventing the imposition of dictatorship, terror and
    tyranny. We have never asked to be the 51st state of the United States as
    Senator John Kerry recently indicated, but to suggest that Afghans do not
    deserve or demand peace, pluralism and human rights is wrong and racist. The
    Afghan people are resilient, moderate and pragmatic. They strongly desire a
    peaceful life. The women of Afghanistan have not forgotten the terror and
    tyranny of the Taliban - and they never will.
    We welcome President Obama's plan to unveil a new comprehensive U.S.
    strategy by the end of this month in the Netherlands and then to NATO
    countries in Prague. We are grateful for being officially consulted during
    this process. In our view, the new strategy must have the following
    components:

    * Surge of U.S. troops
    * Build the Afghan Government's capacity to deliver services and
    eliminate corruption
    * Eliminate the sources of training, indoctrination and ideological,
    financial and logistical support in Pakistan and the region
    * Make fighting narcotics, part of the mandate to fight terrorism
    * Set forth clear parameters of peace and reconciliation with certain
    elements of the Taliban
    * Enhance civilian and military coordination and create a truly
    unified command center with full Afghan participation and US lead
    * Increase reconstruction assistance and aid effectiveness

    We also appreciate President Obama's plan to send 17,000 additional troops
    to Afghanistan, especially the Marines being deployed in the south.
    Afghanistan does not have enough security forces, both international or
    Afghan, to effectively secure and defend the country, protect the people and
    provide the vital space for development. While increasing the quantity of
    the troops is important, proper attention should be paid to enhancing their
    quality and fighting capabilities.
    American soldiers have proven to be the best fighters and partners to our
    national army. The deployment of new troops will allow for surgical
    operations instead of relying on aerial bombings that lead to unacceptable
    levels of civilian deaths.
    However, the long-term and most sustainable strategy is to build an
    effective and well-equipped Afghan army and police force to fight terrorism
    and create a reliable partner in this volatile region. We have 80,000
    well-trained troops in our National Army, and by 2010 it will grow to
    134,000 troops. It is one of Afghanistan's most professional institutions
    and a good example of the successes that can come from proper investment by
    the U.S. and true partnership with Afghans. Since the Afghan National Army
    took control of security in Kabul in August 2008, violence has dropped 40
    percent. We need to increase this number to at least 250,000 to relieve U.S.
    and NATO troops from harm's way as they bravely have done in the last seven
    years. We need a similar type of support for our police force, which lacks
    the proper training, equipment and discipline.
    Ladies and Gentlemen,
    We will not succeed in Afghanistan without the sincere cooperation of
    Pakistan. Today, fortunately, we have excellent relations with the new
    civilian government of President Asif Ali Zardari. The political leadership
    of Afghanistan and Pakistan have never been as close and trustful of each
    other as they are now.
    We believe the new civilian government of Pakistan is sincere in fighting
    extremism and terrorism. President Zardari himself has been a victim of
    terrorist violence. However, the government lacks the capacity to wage this
    fight. The Pakistani military, on the other hand, has the capacities to do
    so, but not the commitment. Despite the atrocities committed by the
    extremists against the people of Pakistan and Afghanistan, the army does not
    consider them as the main enemy. The perceived enemy has always been and
    remains to be India. In this battle, extremists are considered an ally. The
    U.S. is working to bring the government and the army together and help
    Pakistan and India overcome their mutual mistrust.
    Of course, security is not just an absence of violence - it is also the
    presence of opportunity. While the Afghan economy has grown by an average of
    14 percent annually since 2002 and investment opportunities in mining and
    telecommunications have provided needed revenue and jobs, unemployment and
    poverty still prevail. The new strategy should provide for sustainable
    economic development and that ensure that aid money is more effectively used
    and channeled through the Afghan government budget.
    One Afghan model to follow is the successful National Solidarity Program, a
    rural development initiative that empowers local communities to decide what
    their needs are and offers them small grants to address them. So far the NSP
    has provided $560 million in grants for 46,000 small-scale development
    projects in 22,000 villages in every corner of Afghanistan.

    Ladies and Gentlemen,
    Our President has welcomed President Obama's remarks about talking with the
    Taliban. In fact, the process of talking with individual Taliban commanders
    has been going on for the past six years and about six hundred mid-level
    Taliban commanders have joined the peace process. Some even occupy public
    offices in government and parliament. However, we have to determine
    precisely who we want to talk to and what the parameters are for those
    discussions.
    The Taliban are politically divided into three major parties: the Quetta
    Shura led by the Mullah Omar, Miran Shah Shura of the Haqqani Network and
    the Shamshatoo Camp and Bajawar Shura by Hezb-e Islami of Hekmatyar. The
    Taliban are also divided into three distinct ideological groups.
    First, the ideological Taliban, those with the capital "T." This faction is
    affiliated with Al Qaeda and the regional and international terrorist
    networks. Contrary to Iraq, the history of Al Qaeda and the Haqqani and
    Hekmatyar networks are deeply rooted in the three decades of fighting
    together against the Soviet Union and cemented by inter-marriages. This
    group of Taliban is irreconcilable and will not rest until their main
    objectives of eliminating the West and its allies are met. They must be
    defeated or eliminated by force. We mustn't forget that in 2001, there were
    talks with the Taliban for it to deliver Osama bin Laden, but those yielded
    no success. Furthermore, since 2004, talks with similar groups in
    Waziristan, Pakistan and FATA have led to regroupings, extended control and
    brutalities against the Pakistani people.
    The mid-level Taliban commanders are the mercenaries that have been
    recruited by drug traffickers or intelligence agencies and those Afghans
    that are either antagonized by U.S. and NATO military operations or have
    been mistreated by the Afghan government officials. These groups can be
    reconciled through dialogue, buying off, bribery and coercion.
    The third and largest group is the Taliban with the lowercase "t," or the
    "paycheck Taliban." These foot soldiers are mostly unemployed, uneducated
    and brain-washed young Afghans that are paid $300 a month and have been
    misled by the enemy with the promise of paradise or further financial
    rewards. This group needs employment and education, not too much dialogue.
    We need to give them jobs and hope. Therefore, we need clear parameters for
    dialogue and focus on the second and third groups.
    Ladies and Gentlemen,
    Negotiation and reconciliation with the Taliban will succeed only if we talk
    to them from the position of strength and with a clear and strong stand on
    human rights, women's rights and the Afghan Constitution. These are
    principles on which there cannot be concession or compromise. Unfortunately,
    some of the current "defeatist" and "reductionist" media statements and
    policy recommendations in the U.S. and European capitals feed the Taliban
    propaganda, which is mainly based on questioning the U.S. and NATO's staying
    power. NATO and U.S. forces are saying that we are not winning in
    Afghanistan, implying that the Taliban are not losing. If they are not
    losing, why should they talk to us?
    The definition of victory for the Taliban is simple: to destroy and disrupt.
    As long as they are able to do so, they will not feel compelled to talk.
    We must have a coordinated and unified approach on talking to the Taliban,
    and the conduit should be through the Afghan government. However,
    Afghanistan is not Iraq. The Sunni awaking by arming tribal militias will
    not work, due to the fact that the pristine tribal structure of Afghan
    society has been under attack for the past 30 years.
    The true and traditional tribal leaders are now replaced by warlords and
    narco-traffickers. To arm them will have serious repercussions to the
    stability of Afghanistan and the region.
    Ladies and Gentleman,

    Fighting narcotics is fundamental to state-building and counter-terrorism.
    There is no silver bullet or magic crop. It is a long-term undertaking that
    will include development, institution building and law enforcement. It
    should be noted that where the Afghan government is present, poppy fields
    are absent. Five provinces in volatile Southern Afghanistan produce 91
    percent of the country's poppy. Of this amount, 66 percent comes from
    Helmand where most of the fighting is taking place and where 7,000 British
    soldiers are fighting the Taliban. Last year, there was a 19 percent decline
    of poppy cultivation.
    The best strategy to fight narcotics is to prevent cultivation, improve
    interdiction, provide alternative livelihoods, supply sustainable rural
    development, and increase access to credit and market for legitimate crops.
    Corruption is a serious challenge that must be addressed. It is a symptom of
    bad governance, not its cause. There has been very limited investment in
    building the capacity of the Afghan government. It is a problem that we are
    addressing. Six hundred officials were arrested in the past 10 months.
    However, corruption does not lead to terrorism. No one will wear a suicide
    belt and attack a downtown hotel because he was asked for a bribe at a
    municipal office.
    The new strategy should focus on capacity-building and paying reasonable
    salaries to judges, civil servants and police officers.
    Let me finish by reminding you of what has been accomplished in Afghanistan.
    Today 6.4 million children are going back to school, 36% of them girls. We
    have a democratically elected president and 28% of parliament is comprised
    of women. We have a vibrant and free media, with hundreds of private radio
    and TV stations. Schools and health clinics have been built with your
    assistance in far-flung villages that had never had them. Women have become
    elected officials such as senator and ministers; they are voters, students,
    teachers, and entrepreneurs.
    I disagree with those that argue that being in Afghanistan is dangerous. The
    fact is that, as we remember from the post Cold War era, not being in
    Afghanistan is much more dangerous. "No problem of human destiny is beyond
    human beings," as President Kennedy once said. Our challenges are serious,
    but our determination to succeed is stronger.
    The Afghan people are determined to rebuild their country and are very
    grateful for your support and friendship. The success of the new strategy
    depends on how many resources will be allocated for its implementation.
    Thank you.
    http://www.mfa.gov.af/detail.asp?Lan...t=1&ContID=963

    And Afghan perspective on strategy.
    “The nation that will insist upon drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking by cowards.”

    —Sir William Francis Butler

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    They should build up the northern region and let it become sustainable without foreign investment and aid, that way once the northern region is developed, the people in the north would be able to make their own investments into the southern region, around Kandahar along with assistance from NATO and foreign aid.
    Vox populi, vox dei!!!
    "The voice of the people is the voice of God"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xmpBWGJ1_Y

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akhil_The_Great View Post
    They should build up the northern region and let it become sustainable without foreign investment and aid, that way once the northern region is developed, the people in the north would be able to make their own investments into the southern region, around Kandahar along with assistance from NATO and foreign aid.
    Why? There is little connection between the Tajick, Uzbekh, Hazara and Turkmen north with the Pashtun south.
    “The nation that will insist upon drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking by cowards.”

    —Sir William Francis Butler

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    Hell of a speech.

    Its clear to see that, at least in his speech, he is a glass half full kind of guy in regards to Pakistan. Wish I were...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    Why? There is little connection between the Tajick, Uzbekh, Hazara and Turkmen north with the Pashtun south.
    That way will bring more unity within the country, more people are able to move freely between provinces, also the afgans will have a more vested interest in keeping their country stable, rather then the west being worried if the government collapsed, All the west should do is build the Dams and highways in the country, the rest of the development will come through free-market policies and small businesses
    Vox populi, vox dei!!!
    "The voice of the people is the voice of God"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xmpBWGJ1_Y

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    http://www.mfa.gov.af/detail.asp?Lan...t=1&ContID=963

    And Afghan perspective on strategy.
    When i read all of that, I just had the sudden urge to punch this guy in the face. How dare he presume to make us actually read something for our consideration in the hopes that we might change our foreign policies to better suit his people's discontent!

    Such breathtaking arrogance!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephyrus View Post
    When i read all of that, I just had the sudden urge to punch this guy in the face. How dare he presume to make us actually read something for our consideration in the hopes that we might change our foreign policies to better suit his people's discontent!

    Such breathtaking arrogance!
    What!! Are you being serious? if you are that's pathetic, "Afghans aren't allowed perspectives".





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    Quote Originally Posted by persianfan247 View Post
    What!! Are you being serious? if you are that's pathetic, "Afghans aren't allowed perspectives".
    Not only is he serious, but I've heard him use the term "raghead" on many occasions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justice and Mercy View Post
    Not only is he serious, but I've heard him use the term "raghead" on many occasions.
    Thanks alot, now I've got a boiling jihadist on my hands!
    Quote Originally Posted by persianfan247 View Post
    What!! Are you being serious? if you are that's pathetic, "Afghans aren't allowed perspectives".
    I'll go along with your misinterpretation of my post, because its funnier that way.

    "No. I don't agree with the afghan perspective."
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    The speech tells little new, the same mantra's which we have been hearing for years.


    The third and largest group is the Taliban with the lowercase "t," or the
    "paycheck Taliban." These foot soldiers are mostly unemployed, uneducated
    and brain-washed young Afghans that are paid $300 a month and have been
    misled by the enemy with the promise of paradise or further financial
    rewards. This group needs employment and education, not too much dialogue.
    We need to give them jobs and hope. Therefore, we need clear parameters for dialogue and focus on the second and third groups
    .

    Some hard facts: Afghanistan has always been unstable because of the lack of enough sources to feed the entire population. That has become far more dramatic in the last 30 years. Population growing fast, less arable lands and climate change having a sever impact on agriculture. Chances of stabilizing the country are slim to begin with, according to Rashid who did the math, Afghanistan will never be able to afford an army strong enough to keep out forces as the Taliban -in other words, an Afghan government will never have the resources to become a viable government. Unless other ways to improve the economy are found.

    That apart from the political stand off's in the region by various countries, who show no sign of changing their policies. Other than that Afghanistan is of no importance to defeat the Taliban and Al Qaida, Pakistan is and its getting extremely urgent.


    http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...proliferation/

    A 2007 Foreign Policy magazine poll of 117 nongovernmental terrorism experts found that 74 percent consider Pakistan the country most likely to transfer nuclear technology to terrorists in the next three to five years. Because two years have passed since the survey was taken, that horrific development could be just a year away. And now that the Pakistani government has released from house arrest A.Q. Khan, the father of Pakistan's nuclear program and admitted (though later recanted) proliferator of nuclear weapons technology to Iran, Libya, and North Korea, we should be nervous. Not because we think the septuagenarian stands ready to peddle his wares again, but because of what it may signal about how seriously Pakistan takes the issue of nuclear proliferation.
    I am getting more and more convinced that after their defeat in Afghanistan in 2001, Al Qaida/Taliban has chosen a different strategy, its aim is not Afghanistan, Iraq was a mere sideshow, a convenient distraction from the real prize: Pakistan which is their home country.

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    Well, look here its Mordred and his death wish for Pakistan and the Pakistani people. Seems to be to be Indian who's always wants Pakistan dead or something thing.

    Pakistan is fighting, the MQM is keeping the Taliban from Karachi and the army, which I have full convidence in, is battling the Taliban.

    People like Mordred want nothing better than to gloat when Pakistan is dead with millions of Pakistani laying dead.

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    People like Mordred want nothing better than to gloat when Pakistan is dead with millions of Pakistani laying dead.
    Maybe its time to stop making a fool out of yourself and end your silly accusations. At the bottom of this page you will find a video of the fighting capabilities of the Pak Military. So far they have lost every war in their entire history and I all I see is that the standard have dropped significantly over the years. The Pak military is not going to stop these guys.

    http://www.longwarjournal.org/archiv...paramilita.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordred View Post
    Maybe its time to stop making a fool out of yourself and end your silly accusations. At the bottom of this page you will find a video of the fighting capabilities of the Pak Military. So far they have lost every war in their entire history and I all I see is that the standard have dropped significantly over the years. The Pak military is not going to stop these guys.

    http://www.longwarjournal.org/archiv...paramilita.php
    As much as you'd like to see the military fall and our women and children being enslave, I'm sorry but I've got to say that your pro India fetish and your anti-pakistani fetish is starting to become annoying.

    I have full faith as a PAKISTANI which you're clearly not, that it will protect us no matter what jingle a person like you has to say about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Turkish Sultan View Post
    As much as you'd like to see the military fall and our women and children being enslave, I'm sorry but I've got to say that your pro India fetish and your anti-pakistani fetish is starting to become annoying.

    I have full faith as a PAKISTANI which you're clearly not, that it will protect us no matter what jingle a person like you has to say about it.
    Even though the Taliban are looking to expand their power into Peshawar and Karachi?.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordred View Post
    Maybe its time to stop making a fool out of yourself and end your silly accusations. At the bottom of this page you will find a video of the fighting capabilities of the Pak Military. So far they have lost every war in their entire history and I all I see is that the standard have dropped significantly over the years. The Pak military is not going to stop these guys.

    http://www.longwarjournal.org/archiv...paramilita.php
    1965 and 1948 war were stalemate, 1971 and 1999 they lost.
    Vox populi, vox dei!!!
    "The voice of the people is the voice of God"

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    1965 and 1948 war were stalemate,
    Only because India did not push any further, both Kargill in 1999 and the mujahedin infiltration of Kashmir have been a serious military and political defeat for Musharraf also.

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